Talon Alba Racing Dyno testing Talon 1000R

[ALBANATE]

Hey guys and gals! We got our shop Talon R for R/D and product development. Like usual we start off with some baseline dyno pulls. Thought I would share the video. This car sounds sweet with its DCT tranny banging gears! Baseline dyno numbers where 85.8RWHP. That is HP to the ground. Stay tuned for the next step testing intake and exhaust mods!

Nate
Alba Racing

 

[TalonRRR]

Just curious, why couldn't you dyno it in 2wd?

 

[ohanacreek]

Just curious, why couldn't you dyno it in 2wd?

Wheel speed sensors won’t let it out of first gear.

 

[Neohio]

Just curious, why couldn't you dyno it in 2wd?

DCT will not allow a gear shift change if it does not see the front wheels moving.

 

[TalonRRR]

Wheel speed sensors won’t let it out of first gear.

Is this the same with RZR's and YXZ's? Would it work if you unplugged the wheel sensors?

 

[Plumber32]

Hey guys and gals! We got our shop Talon R for R/D and product development. Like usual we start off with some baseline dyno pulls. Thought I would share the video. This car sounds sweet with its DCT tranny banging gears! Baseline dyno numbers where 85.8RWHP. That is HP to the ground. Stay tuned for the next step testing intake and exhaust mods!

Nate
Alba Racing

Any idea what a 1000xp and yxz put down stock?

 

[Neohio]

Is this the same with RZR's and YXZ's? Would it work if you unplugged the wheel sensors?

I cannot comment on the RZR or YXZ.
If you unplug the Honda it won't see any signal and still will not allow shifting.

 

[ALBANATE]

Honda is currently the only SxS manufacturer with individual speed sensors for the front. As far as comparative HP we have dynoed and tuned just about everything out there.... on the same dyno here is what we see:

YXZ1000R/SS- 80-82RWHP
RZR XP1000- 82-84RWHP
Wildcat 1000XX- 101RWHP

Nate
Alba Racing

 

[TalonRRR]

Honda is currently the only SxS manufacturer with individual speed sensors for the front. As far as comparative HP we have dynoed and tuned just about everything out there.... on the same dyno here is what we see:

YXZ1000R/SS- 80-82RWHP
RZR XP1000- 82-84RWHP
Wildcat 1000XX- 101RWHP

Nate
Alba Racing

Great, thanks. Any guesstimate on how much WHP was lost by having it in 4wd even with the tires off?

 

[ALBANATE]

Great, thanks. Any guesstimate on how much WHP was lost by having it in 4wd even with the tires off?

There is minimal actual load added since the tires are off and not in contact with the ground or rollers. I would guess maybe a few.

Nate
Alba Racing

 

[Dragon21]

Honda is currently the only SxS manufacturer with individual speed sensors for the front. As far as comparative HP we have dynoed and tuned just about everything out there.... on the same dyno here is what we see:

YXZ1000R/SS- 80-82RWHP
RZR XP1000- 82-84RWHP
Wildcat 1000XX- 101RWHP

Nate
Alba Racing

had heard 79 from the rzr xp1k, better when information comes direct from the source, glad you cleared that up. interested as well if power is loss by being in 4wd

 

[HondaTech]

Is this the same with RZR's and YXZ's? Would it work if you unplugged the wheel sensors?

Any other machine doesnt need wheel speed sensors except for a speedometer. Honda has to use them to allow the transmission to understand the speed for shifting.

 

[CumminsPusher]

@ALBANATE its good to see testing going on already, being a sport we kinda figured this was going to happen. Obviously early in development but can you say anything about expected goals?
Also now that Talon is under development do you think there might be some future consideration towards the Pioneer 1000 since they are somewhat related?

 

[Tramguage1]

@ALBANATE thank you guys for joining the forum. I appreciate the real world data that you guys are displaying. Not sure you will find a better place than this forum to see what really happens with these machines.

 

[Brett002]

And so it begins...

Don't know about you guys but as a pioneer owner I'm super excited.

 

[ohanacreek]

Just need to add the turbo and see what it does.

 

[1Ron]

I’m a fan of the CVT for the weight savings, cost to produce and simplicity but one downside that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is power degradation. Useful life and maintenance time and cost are others for those that put on miles. The power to the track on the Dyno run may be a “best case” scenario. In real life the CVT loses power and efficiency for several reasons: Belt Wear; Heat; Clutch Wear and Dirty clutches. I’ve run CVT’s in Snowmobiles since the 80’s and more recently in several SXS’s. I hate the constant cleaning and maintenance required. I’m looking forward to the DCT’s more consistent power delivery and the slow speed ability to rock crawl without concern over burning a belt. Less important the DCT won’t release going downhill (free wheeling) as it does on most CVT’s. Honda has a winner IMO!

 

[Choogsbro]

I’m a fan of the CVT for the weight savings, cost to produce and simplicity but one downside that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is power degradation. Useful life and maintenance time and cost are others for those that put on miles. The power to the track on the Dyno run may be a “best case” scenario. In real life the CVT loses power and efficiency for several reasons: Belt Wear; Heat; Clutch Wear and Dirty clutches. I’ve run CVT’s in Snowmobiles since the 80’s and more recently in several SXS’s. I hate the constant cleaning and maintenance required. I’m looking forward to the DCT’s more consistent power delivery and the slow speed ability to rock crawl without concern over burning a belt. Less important the DCT won’t release going downhill (free wheeling) as it does on most CVT’s. Honda has a winner IMO!

I'm sure you are aware of the differences that the Yamaha cvt has.

 

[1Ron]

I'm sure you are aware of the differences that the Yamaha cvt has.

Not really, I wasn’t even aware that Yamaha used a CVT. Guess I was thinking about machines in the Talon segment. The market leader is Polaris and my experience is primarily with that brand and to a lesser extent Arctic Cat-Textron. Several Polaris CVT’s vary. For a low HP, non performance model the CVT is probably great for most people.
I really don’t consider Yamaha much of a threat in the SXS performance market although they are a player. My comment wasn’t intended for all CVT’s but should have been more clear.

 

[Choogsbro]

Not really, I wasn’t even aware that Yamaha used a CVT. Guess I was thinking about machines in the Talon segment. The market leader is Polaris and my experience is primarily with that brand and to a lesser extent Arctic Cat-Textron. Several Polaris CVT’s vary. For a low HP, non performance model the CVT is probably great for most people.
I really don’t consider Yamaha much of a threat in the SXS performance market although they are a player. My comment wasn’t intended for all CVT’s but should have been more clear.

You do know that the YXZ is the closest thing to Talon although not using a cvt. The Textron XX uses the same engine coupled with a cvt.