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P700 HELP!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Pioneer 700 Shop Talk' started by Paul514, Mar 30, 2016.

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    Hello everyone. I am new to the forum and I am looking for some help. I have a Honda 700 about 2 years old. We bought it brand new. I installed a snorkel on it and it rode great for the last 2 years until a few months ago. While out on the trails, it seemed like it would not shift out of second gear and the 4 wheel drive engage lever/ N/D lever was so stiff you could barley move it. after 2 oil changes, filter changes etc... it still will just rev in second. It starts up fine and runs in neutral and shifts from 1to 2 gear but that's it. HONDA is talking about pulling the engine and doing top end work. $2500-$3000. Also they say not covered by warranty because of snorkel. ANY IDEAS
     
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    don't need to remove motor to do top end . if you take a 0 off those numbers and multiply by 2 that would be more realistic cost.

    shifting doesn't have anything to do with top end.

    second gear is the default gear. if the computer cant shift it the bike will be in second gear.

    the bike is two years old its out of warranty. if you have an extended warranty they should not care about the snorkel. The after market warranty's are money makers for the dealer.

    you need a new dealer

    questions if you want to figure out what's wrong
    does the shifter more hard if the motor is turned off.
    does the motor sound like it idling at a normal or higher than normal speed.
    with the motor off and key on does the display go from reverse to neutral to forward on the display.
     
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    Sounds like your dealer is trying to make money off you. Top end has nothing to do with shifting issues. sorry i can't help with your issue but don't do that top end work the dealer said. Mine did some wierd stuff with shifting gears i added a little oil and it was fine. I know that probably isn't your issues.
     
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    Yes on shifting harder when off. Yes to rev higher and not 100 % about display but I think maybe
     
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    Yes it is harder to shift when it is not running. Yes it does seem to be idling higher. And I'm not too sure about the instrument lighting I'll have to look but I think I do remember some issues with that also
     
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    Have you tried to put more oil in it. Overfilling is always good on this motors. Put about 1/2 a quart extra in it and see if it helps. Couldn't hurt.
     
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    I will try anything, lol. Thanks
     
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    Are you using the correct oil?
     
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    The Honda dealer did the last one so I hope so.
     
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    @scott so on your dipstick are you saying you're at the top of the full mark or do you fill it another 1/2 quart beyond that? Thanks.
     
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    Yea add 1/2 quart over full.
     
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    What issues did that solve for you?
     
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    If you ride steep inclines hills and all it's a really good idea to do it.
     
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    Mine was changing gears at odd points and all different speeds. A lot of people told me to add oil and it would be fine and it worked.
     
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    Thanks I think I'm going to try it
     
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    I use Lucas oil stabilizer for my 1/2 quart over.
     
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    if it shifts hard sitting still you have a cable problem. once you cycle it from forward to reverse with motor off it should move smooth and relatively easy.
    now if its not idling down it wont shift at all or very hard.
    idling high could be a few things. coolant temp sensor if it thinks the engine is cold the computer will hold idle up and hold back shifting, throttle position sensor out of calibration could hold the trains engaged at stop making very hard to shift. speed sensor will not shift until redline if at all. idle speed motor not moving will keep the idle were it was when it died but I would expects it to be stalling a lot.
    check the display with it running make Shure everything is working and you don't have a check engine light coming on. just a not the check engine light will only be on if it is seeing something wrong. if the problem leaves the light goes out

    checking the oil has to be done 2 minutes after running the motor. let me try again. run the motor for 5 minutes shut it down wait for two minutes then check the oil.
    I don't know whats in the oil stabilizer but I would not run it. if there is any frition reducers it may kill the cluches.
    you can run any oil that does NOT say enegy conserving on the cercle on the back of the container. the bottom of the circle will be blank
    I find 30 w synthetic works best in mine. I run the rotela or mobile one high mileage.

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    make sure the oil level is right then we will go from there.
     
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    What kind is the best to use?
     
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    Thanks so much for the info. I will look into all that. Heck it would be cheaper just to fly you here to did it lol
     
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    Just overfill with the oil you used for the oil change if you got any left over. Or go get quart from dealer. Honda oil 5w30
     

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