Talon How does front drive shaft clutch work?

[DAJO]

Anyone have any information on what is in the electric clutch for front drive. Dealer here does not know what is inside and how it works. I can't find anything in service or parts manual thank gives a clue as to how it engages front wheel drive. Not looking for guesses I can do that.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Are you talking front diff or transfer case? Not sure what asking because that’s not really correct information on the system

 

[DAJO]

2019 Honda Talon 1000R (SXS1000S2R AC) FRONT FINAL GEAR | Babbitts Honda Partshouse

Item 20 in what Honda calls the front final drive, it shows a shaft but how does it engage?

 

[Hondasxs]

I haven't seen any info on this.
Honda shows it as non-serviceable.
12v engages it.

Not looking for guesses I can do that.

lol... Just a spring-loaded coupler.... but how is the question we don't know.

 

[ohanacreek]

I haven't seen any info on this.
Honda shows it as non-serviceable.
12v engages it.


lol... Just a spring-loaded coupler.... but how is the question we don't know.

No body knows !!! It just does!!!

 

[DAJO]

Talon - Selecting four wheel drive

 

[Hondasxs]

I read that but didn't respond.
Owners manual overrides dealers "opinion".

Now before with all Pioneer models, It was a manual cable operated unit.
Its always been the rule to STOP to engage.

However, this one is electronic.

Side note. Even with the manual Pioneer version. There has not really been any issues and many of us don't stop before engaging.

 

[Alan_Vander]

i thought it is just a electric shift motor in place of the manual one. but from what iv been looking at thats just to engage the front driveshaft to the diff. the way it looks maybe electro magnet selenoid style. but i dont see an actual locking mech left to right which would be basically an open front end with brakes actually making the 4wd work .

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[906UP]

i thought it is just a electric shift motor in place of the manual one. but from what iv been looking at thats just to engage the front driveshaft to the diff. the way it looks maybe electro magnet selenoid style. but i dont see an actual locking mech left to right which would be basically an open front end with brakes actually making the 4wd work .

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It's not a typical open diff though, look at items 11 & 12 (cam face & follower set), looks sorta like a "torq locker lite", not really a locker but not open either.

 

[906UP]

#20 looks like it is a electro magnetic clutch.....yes, I know it's just a guess. Until someone tears it apart we may never know, maybe @HondaTech knows.

 

[Alan_Vander]

It's not a typical open diff though, look at items 11 & 12 (cam face & follower set), looks sorta like a "torq locker lite", not really a locker but not open either.

cam style is what i was looking at. what if the i4wd sensor didnt count spins but actually outward movement. aka cam is doubles sided. side spinning triggers outward movement? then brakes start doing their jobs.
it definitely not any kind of locker in there that is for sure.
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[906UP]

Looks a whole lot like a LSD

 

[DAJO]

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Looks a whole lot like a LSD

It sure does.

 

[Alan_Vander]

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Looks a whole lot like a LSD

yeah only problem is a LSD is essentially just a mechanical locker. with a very small amount of wheel slip. iv seen the roll video. talon definitely doesnt have lsd.

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[906UP]

Search "Cam & Pawl LSD" in google images, there's lots of pictures of them that all look like what's depicted in the parts diagram

 

[DAJO]

I read that but didn't respond.
Owners manual overrides dealers "opinion".

Now before with all Pioneer models, It was a manual cable operated unit.
Its always been the rule to STOP to engage.

However, this one is electronic.

Side note. Even with the manual Pioneer version. There has not really been any issues and many of us don't stop before engaging.

We got the must stop out of the way at the dealer. The owner knew that was not true. Owner rode with me and heard the noise. Service mgr was wanting to say a little louder (not true at all). Dealer still has it and they seem like to me they want to tell me it is normal since it is difficult to figure out and just get rid of me. Waiting to hear from them today.

 

[Alan_Vander]

Search "Cam & Pawl LSD" in google images, there's lots of pictures of them that all look like what's depicted in the parts diagram

yeah it really does look like it. but it doesnt act like it. a cam and pawl lsd doesnt require brakes to actuate and lock. itll do it on its own most the time faster than a geared lsd.

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[Hondasxs]

OP is not asking about the diff or i4wd.
Op is asking about the front driveline engagement mechanism located before the differential.

 

[Alan_Vander]

OP is not asking about the diff or i4wd.
Op is asking about the front driveline engagement mechanism located before the differential.

i vote elctromagnet selenoid style. test with a piece of metal close by and flipping the switch back and forth if the magnet is strong enough should feel it outside the barrel

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[906UP]

OP is not asking about the diff or i4wd.
Op is asking about the front driveline engagement mechanism located before the differential.

aka.....DON'T HIJACK THE THREAD! sorry OP