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I've written about this elsewhere, but I use my Pioneer 1000-5LE for playing around and plowing a driveway, but also on long-distance backcountry rides in remote So. Utah. I'm rarely with another vehicle, so flat tires are a big concern. Yes, I have plugs, patches, tire-ject, and inflators, but sometimes only a spare tire will do.

I went cheap on my spare setup because I don't tote a spare that often. There's nothing wrong with cheap, but it did lead to other issues. So I'm going to try to leave the brands out of this post because I really did poor-boy this gear (like damaged, secondary purchases) and the brands have better products. Also, I would like to hear what does and does not work for others but please recognize that I went for the cheap easy way to add a spare for a ride, not the best way to do it.

First, I bought a hitch mount spare carrier. It came with a steel bolt-on stabilizer that connects at the ROPS, but I won't use it because I will be putting the hitch mount on and off quite a bit. First impression, this is pretty easy way to carry a spare and it will be fine with a coupler-cinch or a ratchet strap to hold the mount still. With a hitch extender I can travel with the tailgate down. This hitch mount also has the benefit of not killing my departure angle - shouldn't be plowing behind me.

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Second, bought a tire. Was a good price and I just need a spare. Went with a stock-size 27x9-14 and confirmed that it works as a spare for the rear (which is 27x11-14). The spare has to work front or rear whatever your setup.

Third, I bought a wheel. This is where you really should pay attention on your setup. The tire was the right size 14x7 with 4/137 bolt pattern and a 5-2 offset. The issue with the one I bought is that the holes for the lug nuts were incredibly small, like for spline-drive lug nuts. The problem is my stock tires are not spline-drive and my lugnut wrench will not fit. I don't want to change all of my wheels to a spline.

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So my $22 fix was to buy a handful of 60mm extended aluminum lugnuts (still the standard 19mm hex). I have four to mount to the hitch and four more in my tool kit to get me home just in case.

I'm fine with my spare setup, but you do need to test the setup at home before any real-world field trial.

Happy trails,

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I use the tusk tire carrier without the extra frame mount. It went thru a week of Ride Royal Blue bouncing around with no problems!


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but you do need to test the setup at home before any real-world field trial.
I would if you haven't on at least 1 tire real life.

I hate you require a different lug setup. And, you do have 12mm studs/lugs right?
That small lug hole has gotten a few people with aftermarket wheels. Kinda sucks to be surprised with that after someone spends 1000+ on new shoes just to have to wait on lugs.

I too have a similar but homemade mount. I did need to strap it to the ROPS to keep it from moving around. Easy to get off as needed with a cut-down ratchet strap.

But lately, I have just been using a factory front spare mounted in the bed. It is mostly for an emergency tire donut. I carry it deflated to save room as I need that extra 3+ inches to fit my junk up in there... (TWSS)
 
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I would if you haven't on at least 1 tire real life.

I hate you require a different lug setup. And, you do have 12mm studs/lugs right?
That small lug hole has gotten a few people with aftermarket wheels. Kinda sucks to be surprised with that after someone spends 1000+ on new shoes just to have to wait on lugs.

I too have a similar but homemade mount. I did need to strap it to the ROPS to keep it from moving around. Easy to get off as needed with a cut-down ratchet strap.

But lately, I have just been using a factory front spare mounted in the bed. It is mostly for an emergency tire donut. I carry it deflated to save room as I need that extra 3+ inches to fit my junk up in there... (TWSS)
Yes, on the 12mm. I was concerned about how snug the aluminum's would fit, so I used a bit of Blue Loctite to keep things in place on the spare mount.

Why, WTF, would a manufacturer make a wheel with lug nut holes too small for a standard (not impact) drive socket for the lug nut inside the hole? Are we again dealing with self-important idiots trying to force-feed us Betamax spline drives?
We're talking about lug nuts for hell's sake. Do they think they can corner the market by incompatibility?

Over.
 
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Just a fyi, your factory honda rims use a ball style lug nut. Your spare uses a cone style lugnut. They are not interchangeable. Do not use your aftermarket lugs on factory rims.
 
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I think manufacturers use the holes that require spline drive nuts to make you think you are more "secure" in the fact that Joe Shmow doesn't have a way to steal your wheels.

From a logistical side of things it may spend less time in a lathe making a smaller hole and that saves time and money.
 
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I picked up a full set of steel wheels off a 1000-5 base model for $50. Plan on using one of the two front wheels for a spare. Haven't decided on the carrier yet.
 
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The tusk carrier is around $170. I am not sure how much you want to spend.
 
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The tusk carrier is around $170. I am not sure how much you want to spend.
. . . unless you stumble across one with chipped paint in shipping and skate for $120. ✌️
Still a lot, but I really do like that it doesn't hit your departure angle and it seems solid.
 
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. . . unless you stumble across one with chipped paint in shipping and skate for $120. ✌️
Still a lot, but I really do like that it doesn't hit your departure angle and it seems solid.
I was surprised at the price because when I made my purchase it was $135 with free shipping on ebay in March of 2021
 
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Here's the rest of my spare tire add.

The Tusk spare carrier (as above) fit great and didn't kill my departure angle. And then I got to thinking about the tailgate and being able to haul stuff if the back seats were occupied.

I found a reasonable combo deal on an 8 1/2" hitch extension (3,500# rated) and an anti-rattle bracket. Now I can use the spare carrier and have the tailgate down.

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The main anti-rattle bracket is the blue plate below the u-bolted tie down by the main hitch. The 8 1/2" hitch extension has a top bolt that can be torqued down to stop the back end rattle. I drove it around a bit and it didn't shake hardly at all. If I take this set up on a long ride, I'll probably use a ratchet strap to the ROPS to keep it all tight.
I know there are better bed-extender and spare tire set ups, like those shown above, but this hitch extender will let me carry stuff on the tailgate and a spare tire when I have passengers in the back seats.
 
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Here's the rest of my spare tire add.

The Tusk spare carrier (as above) fit great and didn't kill my departure angle. And then I got to thinking about the tailgate and being able to haul stuff if the back seats were occupied.

I found a reasonable combo deal on an 8 1/2" hitch extension (3,500# rated) and an anti-rattle bracket. Now I can use the spare carrier and have the tailgate down.

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The main anti-rattle bracket is the blue plate below the u-bolted tie down by the main hitch. The 8 1/2" hitch extension has a top bolt that can be torqued down to stop the back end rattle. I drove it around a bit and it didn't shake hardly at all. If I take this set up on a long ride, I'll probably use a ratchet strap to the ROPS to keep it all tight.
I know there are better bed-extender and spare tire set ups, like those shown above, but this hitch extender will let me carry stuff on the tailgate and a spare tire when I have passengers in the back seats.
That looks Awesome! I would like to do something similar with my tusk carrier. Where were you able to find a decent extender? What is the measurement from the back of the carrier to the end of the open tailgate? Thank you!
 
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That looks Awesome! I would like to do something similar with my tusk carrier. Where were you able to find a decent extender? What is the measurement from the back of the carrier to the end of the open tailgate? Thank you!

I won't be able to measure, as my machine is at my cabin. But the extender and rattle clamp are:
 
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Now that you’ve had that for a while, do you like your spare tire and gas can carrier? How annoying is it to remove or open when using the bed? Thanks for the info.
No complaints whatsoever, it swings open and closes easily. Cans an tire mount - no drama.
Axes, shovel mounts work perfectly.
2 guys can unhook it and hang on my garage wall if I want to go without.
I also woods ride(Oregonifornia) and back into stuff occasionally with no drama.
I'd buy again.
One caveat is the cans are empty until I'm headed on longer trip for unnecessary weight.

I'm anal about clean..easier to cleanup if kept clean. All my stuff looks the same way..worked hard for these toys..
 
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