P1000 Winch and alternator size

[red1329]

here is my problem.

i get stuck. and when i do, i get stuck good..

i can winch continuously for a long time without issues unless I get to were my 5000lbs winch stops because the load is too much then it will drop my volts in seconds..
so idea one is to of course go to a 10,000 lbs winch. I will have to look at amp draw and all that stuff to see how it will effect my electric system. heavy wires and all that jazz. any one done this and have a build form or some good info on what they did?

the second thing is of course and alternator that can keep the juice flowing to the battery at a decent rate. does the p1k5 have an option to put a bigger alternator on it? duel battery has helped with having a longer time before a draw down but ultimately I think in need more amps from the battery and more charging amps to help keep up.


and the last thing i have already done is bring a pully with me so i can loop through the pully and mechanically double my winch strength.

 

[Hondasxs]

Looking at the badlands 9000. The amp draw is not much more. Common UTV winch at full draw is around the 300A range.
The factory system only puts out 50Ah. It can not keep up with heavy winch usage over and over. It needs charge time for any winch out there. A dual battery will add capacity as you said. But winching for an hour will leave you dead. Might consider a full size battery under the seat.

Going to a full size winch means better gear ratio and in return you can pull 5000lb at less amp draw then your current winch does.

As for a bigger alternator. There is no aftermarket option. Talon is 58Ah. but that's not much of an improvement.

Badlands 9000 pull specs below.

 

[red1329]

that is great information!! so larger winch is better idea! and i never thought about the spool of the cable costing your gear ratio! that will help when there is several trees i can always go out further to increase winch power!

 

[Hondasxs]

i never thought about the spool of the cable costing your gear ratio! that will help when there is several trees i can always go out further to increase winch power!

Yes... Your 5000lb winch pulling with only 6ft of rope out may not even have 2500lb of pulling force.
You need all the line out and a full battery to get 5000'lb of force.

 

[Enigma]

HondaSXS that is a great piece of informaiton. Would a snatch block offset the loss of a gear ratio for an Warn Axon 45-S? to double the winch strength as red1329 mentioned?

 

[Hondasxs]

HondaSXS that is a great piece of informaiton. Would a snatch block offset the loss of a gear ratio for an Warn Axon 45-S? to double the winch strength as red1329 mentioned?

Yes...
BUT ONLY if you rig it correctly.
Meaning you must snatch back to your SxS.
For example. Winch, Snatch at the tree, back to your SxS.
Doing this will turn that 2500 lb pull into a 5000 lb pull.

Here are pull specs for your Axon 45.
Amp usage for the axon line is currently the best on the market.
Compair that to the badlands 5000 VRX in the second pic.


AXON Pull specs....

Badlands VRX 5000 pull specs.

 

[red1329]

HondaSXS that is a great piece of informaiton. Would a snatch block offset the loss of a gear ratio for an Warn Axon 45-S? to double the winch strength as red1329 mentioned?

yes a snatch will basicly double your wich power at the cost of the pull in speed. like putting your p1k in low gear vs high

 

[JACKAL]

Yes... Your 5000lb winch pulling with only 6ft of rope out may not even have 2500lb of pulling force.
You need all the line out and a full battery to get 5000'lb of force.

or a snatch block or two, each doubles pulling force without increasing battery drain 🤔

The WARN EPIC series 5500 lbs model has saved my bacon more than once.

Also with two of them you can upright your machine if you are by yourself. 1out front, 2nd to the side, then line to ROPS to pull upright.

 

[Enigma]

or a snatch block or two, each doubles pulling force without increasing battery drain 🤔

The WARN EPIC series 5500 lbs model has saved my bacon more than once.

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Also with two of them you can upright your machine if you are by yourself. 1out front, 2nd to the side, then line to ROPS to pull upright.

Thanks Jakal for the pictures. I do not have the Warn Epic model but will add that to my Talon. Look very beefy !!

 

[Enigma]

yes a snatch will basicly double your wich power at the cost of the pull in speed. like putting your p1k in low gear vs high

Thanks Red1329 for the reply. Take a look at the Warn Epic snatch that Jakal posted. Looks like it will do the job.

 

[Enigma]

Great informaton on the Axon pull specs. I have see those numbers. Thanks HondaSXS

 

[ODAMO]

yes a snatch will basicly double your wich power at the cost of the pull in speed. like putting your p1k in low gear vs high

We wish low range doubled the torque.