Sounds to me like some one did not get the air box cover put back on correctly after servicing
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Damn, that sucks. 
The guy did everything right by letting the dealer do all the work including maintenance and upgrades. That left the 'blame' on the dealer or Honda and I'm sure that fact is a big part of why he got an entirely new engine from Honda.
I really hope someone lets us know the 'root cause' - was there a missing gasket/seal from Honda or did someone screw up the intake system at the dealership like when they installed the particle separator? I do all my own work (provided it isn't too technical) and don't want to make a mistake like this!! - especially since I just copied hondabob's snorkel assembly. (note that any mistakes I may have made in that project would be on me and not Bob)
People that ride in dusty conditions, which is a big part of Talon's lifestyle, should be aware of this failure and keep an eye on the clean side of the air intake plenum and the two tubes to the throttle bodies, watching for dust intrusion. @Lil_Steve is yours clean?
The guy did everything right by letting the dealer do all the work including maintenance and upgrades. That left the 'blame' on the dealer or Honda and I'm sure that fact is a big part of why he got an entirely new engine from Honda.I really hope someone lets us know the 'root cause' - was there a missing gasket/seal from Honda or did someone screw up the intake system at the dealership like when they installed the particle separator? I do all my own work (provided it isn't too technical) and don't want to make a mistake like this!! - especially since I just copied hondabob's snorkel assembly. (note that any mistakes I may have made in that project would be on me and not Bob)
People that ride in dusty conditions, which is a big part of Talon's lifestyle, should be aware of this failure and keep an eye on the clean side of the air intake plenum and the two tubes to the throttle bodies, watching for dust intrusion. @Lil_Steve is yours clean?
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If you haven’t already, I would recommend a used oil analysis.
I’ve got $5 that says your report will show high SI numbers and high AL / FE numbers.
Looking at that intake reminds me of all the dusted turbos I used to see when everyone ran a K+N filter but forgot to periodically re-oil the filter.
I’ve got $5 that says your report will show high SI numbers and high AL / FE numbers.
Looking at that intake reminds me of all the dusted turbos I used to see when everyone ran a K+N filter but forgot to periodically re-oil the filter.
I'm happy to report the throttle body intake tubes are clean. I did find the slightest bit of dust in there, but now that this has come to light I will inspect it periodically.
Most all of my riding is in a dry, dusty environment.
So far so good.
Close up of the top intake tube
Just a bit of residue inside of the lower tube
I have no way of knowing if that was like that before my filter change or not. I lurked on this site for a few months before buying my Talon so I was aware of the stock air filter getting dirty very quickly thanks to guys like @IDIOT and @hondabob who changed the intake location with different versions to cleaner air than the stock location. I used the same method as IDIOT to have a pre-filter in cleaner air to supply the airbox. I bought the SYA Warrior Snorkel kit and just put a K&N universal cone filter in place of the SYA's long snorkel. I also put a Filterwears pre-filter screen over the K&N.
This is how my stock Honda air filter looks after the last 400+ miles with the above set up.
This is what the dirty side of the airbox looks like.
I bought my Talon with just over 200 miles on it so the original air filter wasn't pre-filtered the entire time. When I first checked it, it was kind of dirty and I cleaned it a bit then re-installed it right before adding the higher intake with the K&N filter. I had a new filter on hand but wanted to see how the K&N set up worked.
This is about how it looked when I first got my Talon and that's a current picture of it with about 1000 total miles. It didn't get noticeably dirtier but I changed it along with the oils at about 1000 miles.
Running any kind of snorkel kit to get the intake in cleaner air than the stock location of the wheel well will result in much longer service life of the air filter. The channel that the air filter sits in has a rubber foam gasket, and the airbox lid also has the same type of gasket for a positive seal. A new Honda air filter comes with both of those foam gaskets. So unless both of those gaskets were removed from the airbox, I don't know how that much dirt/dust could get past the filter like was shown in the video. Maybe the particle separator was improperly installed, maybe the airbox lid wasn't secured, I don't know. From what I can see it's very difficult to have that much dust getting past a properly installed filter and lid.
Most all of my riding is in a dry, dusty environment.
So far so good.
Close up of the top intake tube
Just a bit of residue inside of the lower tube
I have no way of knowing if that was like that before my filter change or not. I lurked on this site for a few months before buying my Talon so I was aware of the stock air filter getting dirty very quickly thanks to guys like @IDIOT and @hondabob who changed the intake location with different versions to cleaner air than the stock location. I used the same method as IDIOT to have a pre-filter in cleaner air to supply the airbox. I bought the SYA Warrior Snorkel kit and just put a K&N universal cone filter in place of the SYA's long snorkel. I also put a Filterwears pre-filter screen over the K&N.
This is how my stock Honda air filter looks after the last 400+ miles with the above set up.
This is what the dirty side of the airbox looks like.
I bought my Talon with just over 200 miles on it so the original air filter wasn't pre-filtered the entire time. When I first checked it, it was kind of dirty and I cleaned it a bit then re-installed it right before adding the higher intake with the K&N filter. I had a new filter on hand but wanted to see how the K&N set up worked.
This is about how it looked when I first got my Talon and that's a current picture of it with about 1000 total miles. It didn't get noticeably dirtier but I changed it along with the oils at about 1000 miles.
Running any kind of snorkel kit to get the intake in cleaner air than the stock location of the wheel well will result in much longer service life of the air filter. The channel that the air filter sits in has a rubber foam gasket, and the airbox lid also has the same type of gasket for a positive seal. A new Honda air filter comes with both of those foam gaskets. So unless both of those gaskets were removed from the airbox, I don't know how that much dirt/dust could get past the filter like was shown in the video. Maybe the particle separator was improperly installed, maybe the airbox lid wasn't secured, I don't know. From what I can see it's very difficult to have that much dust getting past a properly installed filter and lid.
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That person followed up on Facebook to relay that the dealer found that the connection to the intake by the engine was incorrectly installed by the factory and the Honda is covering the repair.
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What does a used oil analysis tell you? is this something you would do only when there is a failure.
It can tell you a lot.
For example if the sample shows high amounts of coolant and high metals but low SI (silicon) this would mean the coolant in oil is the problem and not dust.
If it were to show only high metals but normal levels of Fuel, coolant and SI, the failure was internal ( bad bearing etc), or due to lack of maintenance. In the case of lack of maintenance a look at the lack of TBN (total base number) would be a strong indicator.
Normally a oil analysis is done as an indicator of extending the oil change interval on expensive oils or a way to monitor an engine or gear box.
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honda covered it but could not get a new engine till august. the guy did not want to wait and traded it in on a krx1000 he has a updated video talking about it.
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I routinely coat the dirty internal side of the air box with grease and the sealing points around the cover as well. and the intake boots get a thin coat . That helps to seal any points where there is a junction and the grease collects dust to help out the filter's job. Any micro find dust that does get past will get caught by the grease on the intake tubes going in to the engine. I figure every bit helps is my theory. When I service the filter you would be surprised to see how much dust the grease collects.
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Here are a series of videos that Ray Horvath put on his YouTube channel regarding his experience that ultimately led to him switching to a Kawasaki KRX 1000.
The first video is the same video that's in post #1 of this thread (just putting them all here in chronological order to make things simple):
Initial Video:
Update Video (Video #2)
Kawasaki KRX Video (Explains final issues with Honda at 11:30 mark)
The first video is the same video that's in post #1 of this thread (just putting them all here in chronological order to make things simple):
Initial Video:
Update Video (Video #2)
Kawasaki KRX Video (Explains final issues with Honda at 11:30 mark)
