It gets hard for me to beleive that Honda wouldn't have these winches and mounts ready to ship when the Pioneer is shipping. ????? It's like a number 1 option.....and it's not like a winch is not needed on this gear. The amount they want for a mount is a bit goofy. You'd think a mount would be STANDARD equipment. Instead they dupe a guy for a couple hundred more. Common. Duh! How do you spell "class action"?