honda talon busbar with second battery install question.

[johnnunez29]

just picked up a 2020 talon r , first sxs own. i am trying to hook up accesories but i realized that the 2nd battery up front is completely dead. This bike has a true isolator installed but i think they instaled the busbar incorrectly. it looks like they ran the isolator power cable to the top post and the complete opposite (bottom post, that should be ground) seems to be connected to positive on the battery (2nd).

 

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[ScottJ24]

just picked up a 2020 talon r , first sxs own. i am trying to hook up accesories but i realized that the 2nd battery up front is completely dead. This bike has a true isolator installed but i think they instaled the busbar incorrectly. it looks like they ran the isolator power cable to the top post and the complete opposite (bottom post, that should be ground) seems to be connected to positive on the battery (2nd).

I was just working on mine yesterday. The diagram shows it as you describe and the thin black wire coming out of it does go to ground. The 2 large terminals do go to to the positive of each battery. At least that is the way I read the diagram.

 

[lowranger]

just picked up a 2020 talon r , first sxs own. i am trying to hook up accesories but i realized that the 2nd battery up front is completely dead. This bike has a true isolator installed but i think they instaled the busbar incorrectly. it looks like they ran the isolator power cable to the top post and the complete opposite (bottom post, that should be ground) seems to be connected to positive on the battery (2nd).

Picture?

 

[johnnunez29]

Battery is fully dead. And the bottom black cable he has it going to the battery positive aswell. My problem now is that idk on the bus bar what’s what. Is the top most post positive or the bottom? They both have positive

 

[Fatsquatch]

Battery is fully dead. And the bottom black cable he has it going to the battery positive aswell. My problem now is that idk on the bus bar what’s what. Is the top most post positive or the bottom? They both have positive View attachment 459849



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Maybe I’m misunderstanding here, but the entire bus bar should be either positive or negative. It doesn’t matter what order they’re in.

 

[johnnunez29]

The diagram shows ground

 

[DRZRon1]

Is that a bus bar or just a block to land wires ?

Can u draw on a piece of paper what goes where ?

seems like all is good other than a dead battery

 

[johnnunez29]

This is what I had

 

[johnnunez29]

This is what I just did

 

[johnnunez29]

The only difference is that I moved the bottom to the negative on the battery

 

[Fatsquatch]

The diagram shows ground



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@DRZRon1 essentially asked ….
Are you sure it’s a bus bar (generally one solid bar with multiple screws tapped into it)?

If it is…and you connect both positive and negative to it, you’re creating a dead short between them.

If it’s just a terminal block (each screw is effectively separate or segmented on its own circuit/plate) then so long as you connect positives to positives and negatives to negatives all is well in the world.

 

[JNo323]

Battery is fully dead. And the bottom black cable he has it going to the battery positive aswell. My problem now is that idk on the bus bar what’s what. Is the top most post positive or the bottom? They both have positive View attachment 459849



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The first photo is this kit from the club store it appears and it's just a switched accessory block. Don't know what you've got the two red heavy gage wires to the left connected to, but the supply side to the right is way undersized and this block is only rated for 40 amps. If that is the one from the store, it already has power from the starting battery as it plugs into the harness already on the machine.

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Isolator should be wired like this:

 

[Hondasxs]

@DRZRon1 essentially asked ….
Are you sure it’s a bus bar (generally one solid bar with multiple screws tapped into it)?

If it is…and you connect both positive and negative to it, you’re creating a dead short between them.

If it’s just a terminal block (each screw is effectively separate or segmented on its own circuit/plate) then so long as you connect positives to positives and negatives to negatives all is well in the world.

They call it a bus bar.. but it's more like just 4 INDIVIDUAL posts. IDK why its made like this.

 

[johnnunez29]

The first photo is this kit from the club store it appears and it's just a switched accessory block. Don't know what you've got the two red heavy gage wires to the left connected to, but the supply side to the right is way undersized and this block is only rated for 40 amps. If that is the one from the store, it already has power from the starting battery as it plugs into the harness already on the machine.
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Isolator should be wired like this:
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That’s how the isolator is wired. But I ran the power from fuse panel I added to it. Maybe I should have just run to aux post

 

[johnnunez29]

One of the heavy wires on busbar is from the fuse distributor. The other from the main terminal

 

[johnnunez29]

They have diagrams how to install all this but independently. I’m adding the fuse panel

 

[johnnunez29]

At this point I guess I just need to know where to wire the fuse panel into once the Bieber is installed aswell as the isolator. Need to know where the pos/neg from fuse block go

 

[Hondasxs]

I have lots of questions about your wiring. Hard to figure it out. and missing items (wires)
Need to discuss one item at a time to best NOT confuse things.

Let's break it down item by item.

40A bus bar kit.
Using your image. Post are in this order. 1 (top), 2, 3, 4 (bottom), Post are NOT connected to each other so each must be FED.
- Plug the 2 pin connector into the blue connector.
- Post 1 - MAIN POWER from the large OEM supplied red wire, ensure this is connected inside the battery box. Hook red wire from the 40a relay here also.
- POST 2 - Orange wire goes to post #3, can also jump to post #2 using a jumper. Now both post 2 and 3 are new 40a key-on power post.
- Post 4 will be a ground post. Connect the OEM supplied large guage black wire to this post.


ISOLATOR kit.. (not discussing voltmeter)
- Isolator MAIN post: needs main battery power so connect it to post 1 of the bus bar.
- Isolator AUX post: needs to go to the second battery positive.
- Isolator little black wire: needs a true ground. Use post 4 if you like or a screw on your fuse box negative side.
- ALSO... to complete this circuit, the second battery needs to be GROUNDED. You will run a wire from the second battery ground to post #4.

FUSE Box. (40 amp limit).
- Positive goes to post 3
- Ground goes to the second battery or post #4 will work also.

That should have you set.

 

[Hondasxs]

Also.. What is the yellow wire on the isolator? Assume winch. This needs to go to the second battery.
Winch positive and ground should be direct to the second battery.

 

[Fatsquatch]

They call it a bus bar.. but it's more like just 4 INDIVIDUAL posts. IDK why it’s made like this.

👌🏻 so long as I’m not sitting idly by letting the poor fella wire up a fire 🤣

I’ll let the adults help him now. 👍🏻