P1000 Pioneer 1000 Torque

[Plongson]

It seems the 999cc engine puts out a rated 78 hp. HP is really meaningless without a torque rating to go with it. Everyone gets all amped up over HP on these machines but I'd like to know what the TQ is..

Has anyone ever had one dyno'd? Crawling up a boulder shrewn canyon trail requires TQ not HP.

 

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[Buford]

I agree, alot of people only ever talk about HP. Torque is the amount of "work" an engine can do, and HP is the speed at which it can do the work.
In drag racing, they say torque gets you to 100 mph, then horsepower takes over.

 

[joeymt33]

It seems the 999cc engine puts out a rated 78 hp. HP is really meaningless without a torque rating to go with it. Everyone gets all amped up over HP on these machines but I'd like to know what the TQ is..

Has anyone ever had one dyno'd? Crawling up a boulder shrewn canyon trail requires TQ not HP.

I had one on the dyno but Honda was kind enough to install a tune where you must have a 4 wheel dyno, custom tune, or trick the front gear speed sensor to have a good pull. We were only able to pull in 1st gear so torque was over 1000 lb/ft!

 

[Someguy]

I agree, alot of people only ever talk about HP. Torque is the amount of "work" an engine can do, and HP is the speed at which it can do the work.
In drag racing, they say torque gets you to 100 mph, then horsepower takes over.

To quote Jay Leno "HP SELLS CARS, TORQUE WINS RACES"

 

[ebkoz]

I had one on the dyno but Honda was kind enough to install a tune where you must have a 4 wheel dyno, custom tune, or trick the front gear speed sensor to have a good pull. We were only able to pull in 1st gear so torque was over 1000 lb/ft!

Dyno measurements should be taken in 4th gear.

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[Delton]

Dyno measurements should be taken in 4th gear.

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Hard to do when it won't shift. Gonna have to trick it into thinking front wheels are turning.

 

[zin01]

Can't we do the math?
I know it's not as accurate as a dyno but should be ok??


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[joeymt33]

Dyno measurements should be taken in 4th gear.

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Yeah, we checked the ratios before going and thought the same thing. It's not perfect 1:1 but it was the closest.

Now we got to go back since we figured out how to trick the front speed sensor.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

Can't we do the math? View attachment 47540
I know it's not as accurate as a dyno but should be ok??


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I believe that just the "theoretical" torque at the crank. You will have losses throughout the system. Ideally you want to test it on a wheel dyno so you can see what is actually getting to the ground.

It honestly would be a very cool exercise to see what the wheel vs crank torque curves actually look like.

I wonder if you could see slipping on the clutches? It would be even more interesting to see the difference between Joey's admantium clutched machine and CPs cardboard clutched machine.

If there was a significant difference in the torque to the ground that might indicate that there is a difference between the machines. Like CP's clutches slip a little all the time (and burn out) while Joey's stay locked perfectly together all the time.

 

[Dasmoeturhead]

My Butt Dyno tells me it has plenty . >

 

[Dasmoeturhead]

It seems the 999cc engine puts out a rated 78 hp. HP is really meaningless without a torque rating to go with it. Everyone gets all amped up over HP on these machines but I'd like to know what the TQ is..

Has anyone ever had one dyno'd? Crawling up a boulder shrewn canyon trail requires TQ not HP.

Are you just curious about the torque it puts out, or do you believe it is lacking in this area?
I know how mine runs, and its power and torque far surpasses my ability to ever tap into that. The only thing I've found so far to stop this machine is Trees. >

 

[Plongson]

Are you just curious about the torque it puts out, or do you believe it is lacking in this area?
I know how mine runs, and its power and torque far surpasses my ability to ever tap into that. The only thing I've found so far to stop this machine is Trees. >

No, my rig performs great. I'm just curious about how much TQ our 1000cc engines put out because in my mind (for what we do with them) TQ is more important than HP.

All the other manufactures brag about their high HP ratings and our poor little P1K's only have 70hp...but we could counter that with high TQ ratings.

Actually, I could give a shirt one way or another but would like the P1K TQ numbers.

Having HP with no TQ is like knowing volts with no amps...

 

[zin01]

No, my rig performs great. I'm just curious about how much TQ our 1000cc engines put out because in my mind (for what we do with them) TQ is more important than HP.

All the other manufactures brag about their high HP ratings and our poor little P1K's only have 70hp...but we could counter that with high TQ ratings.

Actually, I could give a shirt one way or another but would like the P1K TQ numbers.

Having HP with no TQ is like knowing volts with no amps...

I do agree. Torque is far more important and I would like to know what the number is. Idk why people want the hp numbers unless they are running them on the road.


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[Dasmoeturhead]

No, my rig performs great. I'm just curious about how much TQ our 1000cc engines put out because in my mind (for what we do with them) TQ is more important than HP.

All the other manufactures brag about their high HP ratings and our poor little P1K's only have 70hp...but we could counter that with high TQ ratings.

Actually, I could give a shirt one way or another but would like the P1K TQ numbers.

Having HP with no TQ is like knowing volts with no amps...

Maybe some numbers from Hondas Africa Twin motorcycle with the same powerplants as our Pioneer's. I'm sure all of the Africa's specs are different, but maybe close. IDK.

 

[ODAMO]

Old thread....New idea.
What if the front wheel sensors were disconnected and temp. Hooked to the rears so the computer would see all 4 tires moving and allow a good dyno run.?

 

[HondaTech]

Old thread....New idea.
What if the front wheel sensors were disconnected and temp. Hooked to the rears so the computer would see all 4 tires moving and allow a good dyno run.?

What's weird is the 2 wheeled DCT models have a "Dynamometer" mode for testing on a dyno in our diagnostic tool. The Pioneer and Atvs do not.

How are the Talon guys doing it, seen several with the front wheels off the ground and removed?

 

[DDDonkey]

What's weird is the 2 wheeled DCT models have a "Dynamometer" mode for testing on a dyno in our diagnostic tool. The Pioneer and Atvs do not.

How are the Talon guys doing it, seen several with the front wheels off the ground and removed?

I would think if you put the unit in 4wd and remove the front axles (non-I4wd) you could dyno a pioneer, or just jack up the front and remove the tires .

 

[farmtimpioneer]

Here is a good example of torque vs horsepower, This is a 1923 Fairbanks Morse diesel engine weight is 15,500 lbs it is a 50 HP @ 234 RPM , the amount of torque it produces is unreal , I have never figured torque or had it on a dyno but it has an enormous amount of torque compared to HP and only top RPM of 234, I have the governor turned down on it when I run it it only runs at about 100 RPM,,,

 

[dilligaff82]

Here is a good example of torque vs horsepower, This is a 1923 Fairbanks Morse diesel engine

I love me some old engines of all sizes. This thing is awesome. Any idea where it was originally used?

 

[0860silverado]

Here is a good example of torque vs horsepower, This is a 1923 Fairbanks Morse diesel engine weight is 15,500 lbs it is a 50 HP @ 234 RPM , the amount of torque it produces is unreal , I have never figured torque or had it on a dyno but it has an enormous amount of torque compared to HP and only top RPM of 234, I have the governor turned down on it when I run it it only runs at about 100 RPM,,,View attachment 168612

1122.2 ft lbs!!!