P1000m5 1000-5 won't start. Electrical issue??

[FrogsinAlaska]

I need some help! I was driving my 1000-5 deluxe back in September in low manual on level ground in 3rd or 4th gear. I head a whining noise come from the rear passenger side then the machine just died and would not even attempt to crank over, just a click under the hood. Also when I turned the key on I could hear a noise (later found out it was the speed control motor "cycling"). I've checked everything I can think to check maybe have narrowed it down the the TR sensor. I have taken the starter out and it spins, so seems like something is binding up the flywheel (it spins freely one way with starter out). Seems like an electrical/sensor issue. Any advice or input would be awesome! Don't want to take it to the dealer (out of warrant) for them to charge me $90 and hour to check who knows what. Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[Remington]

Number one, what year, and milage?

-Check all grounds very good.
-you should bench test that starter. Spinning freely with your hand Dosnt mean its good.
-what do you mean “flywheel spins freely one way with the starter out”?
as in real easy or with compression?
If its real easy, it should not be at all! theres alot of internal engine things that could be the cause if that. And neither one is easy fix or good for that matter

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

Number one, what year, and milage?

-Check all grounds very good.
-you should bench test that starter. Spinning freely with your hand Dosnt mean its good.
-what do you mean “flywheel spins freely one way with the starter out”?
as in real easy or with compression?
If its real easy, it should not be at all! theres alot of internal engine things that could be the cause if that. And neither one is easy fix or good for that matter

2020 with 1691 miles.
I did hook power up to the starter and it spins.
I can reach in where the starter connects to the fly wheel and the two "gears" in there will spin freely down, but won't budge up (I read somewhere about there being a one way clutch that allows that?) and I think up or counterclockwise if looking at the front of the motor is the way the starter is trying to turn it.
I should also mention that the machine has been drowned, but that was almost 1000 miles ago no issues since I got it running after that.

 

[Remington]

2020 with 1691 miles.
I did hook power up to the starter and it spins.
I can reach in where the starter connects to the fly wheel and the two "gears" in there will spin freely down, but won't budge up (I read somewhere about there being a one way clutch that allows that?) and I think up or counterclockwise if looking at the front of the motor is the way the starter is trying to turn it.
I should also mention that the machine has been drowned, but that was almost 1000 miles ago no issues since I got it running after that.

Im not aware of the one way clutch on the flywheel. Maybe @HondaTech can be of assistance and shed some light

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

Im not aware of the one way clutch on the flywheel. Maybe @HondaTech can be of assistance and shed some light

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/side-by-side/2020/sxs1000m5d-2a-pioneer-1000-5-deluxe/starting-clutch

I think this is what I was reading about..a starting clutch. Hoping there isn't something mechanically wrong in the engine and it's just an electrical issue.

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

Found the issue..broken rod knocked a hole in the crankcase and damaged some transmission gears 🤦‍♂️

 

[bumperm]

Ouch, dang, sorry! Any idea how or why that happened?

 

[HBarlow]

Was the engine spinning at extremely high rpm when it failed?

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

Ouch, dang, sorry! Any idea how or why that happened?

I'm pretty sure it finally gave up after I swamped it last summer. Took it almost 1000 miles.

 

[Remington]

I swamped it last summer

You never said that!🤨
would have saved alot of thinking here lol

 

[TripleB]

I'm pretty sure it finally gave up after I swamped it last summer. Took it almost 1000 miles.

Will insurance cover it?

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

Was the engine spinning at extremely high rpm when it failed?

I wouldn't say extremely high, but definitely over idle.

You never said that!🤨
would have saved alot of thinking here lol

oops! Sorry about that, thought I mentioned that earlier! Might have been in another thread.

 

[Remington]

oops! Sorry about that, thought I mentioned that earlier! Might have been in another thread.

No worries man!
that sucks! Are u going to buy a new motor or try a rebuild?

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

No worries man!
that sucks! Are u going to buy a new motor or try a rebuild?

Attempting to rebuild. It is quite the process!

 

[toddvdh]

😜

On the real side, that sucks man.

 

[FrogsinAlaska]

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On the real side, that sucks man.

😂 I wish that was an option!