P1000 Another Novice 2nd Battery Install Thread

[JoeyL]

"Stinger is only on with the key" Does that mean no accessories will work without the key on?

that is correct.
do you want the fuse box to be hot all the time? if so, you can ditch the stinger

 

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[BigOL3]

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Nearly $300 increase from 2.5yrs ago.

 

[BrotherNov]

Would I be correct in assuming that the only risk of ditching the stinger is accidentally leaving a switch "on" ?

 

[BrotherNov]

And ... If I go this route, could I just stack 6 hot 14g wires on the auxillary batter and connect them directly to the fuse box? Eliminates a bus bar, and then as I add accessories I'll add a hot wire to the other side of the fuse box completing the curcuit and powering the switch/accessory?

 

[CID]

And ... If I go this route, could I just stack 6 hot 14g wires on the auxillary batter and connect them directly to the fuse box? Eliminates a bus bar, and then as I add accessories I'll add a hot wire to the other side of the fuse box completing the circuit and powering the switch/accessory?

If I understand your question, one 14g (bigger would be better) wire from the battery to the positive side of the fuse box (which ties all fuses together) and then each circuit from its fuse.

You can also run two control leads to the stinger (same terminal), one a key on power and another manual switch. This way either the key or separate switch will power up the auxiliary circuits. I have my VM run this way so I can check resting voltage without turning the key on.

 

[BrotherNov]

Jeez, stacking 6 was a dumb comment, and I'll certainly grab some bigger wire. I'm beginning to think I don't really need an auxiliary battery positive bus bar if I don't add more accessories than my fuse box will handle (6). Same with the ground bus. A bus bar might be useful for Key-on primary power though. This is my fuse box:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000THQ0CQ/?tag=sxsweb24-20

 

[JoeyL]

Would I be correct in assuming that the only risk of ditching the stinger is accidentally leaving a switch "on" ?

that is correct. and in this case you need to run the switch lights from key on power or they will also be always on.

And ... If I go this route, could I just stack 6 hot 14g wires on the auxillary batter and connect them directly to the fuse box?

yes you can, and it depends on what type of fuse block you have.
if you have something like this, it is made to be fed with one big wire and keep things neat. there is not a place to attach all the incoming wires. the stud (bottom center) will run out of room

if you want to run individual wires from the battery you will need to use a fuse block like this. but now you need to come up with another bus for your grounds.

Link to the fuse blocks

Eliminates a bus bar

yes but remember the only reason for a bus bar is to have a good place to make multiple connections. stacking a bunch of wires on one terminal is prone to get loose and is a PITA to deal with. But electrically its no different than using a bus bar if the connections are solid.

 

[BrotherNov]

that is correct. and in this case you need to run the switch lights from key on power or they will also be always on.


yes you can, and it depends on what type of fuse block you have.
if you have something like this, it is made to be fed with one big wire and keep things neat. there is not a place to attach all the incoming wires. the stud (bottom center) will run out of room
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if you want to run individual wires from the battery you will need to use a fuse block like this. but now you need to come up with another bus for your grounds.
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Link to the fuse blocks



yes but remember the only reason for a bus bar is to have a good place to make multiple connections. stacking a bunch of wires on one terminal is prone to get loose and is a PITA to deal with. But electrically its no different than using a bus bar if the connections are solid.

"and in this case you need to run the switch lights from key on power or they will also be always on"

by this, you mean only the bottom half of the switch needs to be Key-on, right? The top half would only come on when switched on?

 

[BrotherNov]

For me it's probably useful to have the auxiliary battery lights available without the key on. That way, I can use "work lights" while gutting animals (or whatever) without running the risk of draining the main battery.

 

[JoeyL]

by this, you mean only the bottom half of the switch needs to be Key-on, right? The top half would only come on when switched on?

yep thats correct

 

[CID]

For me it's probably useful to have the auxiliary battery lights available without the key on. That way, I can use "work lights" while gutting animals (or whatever) without running the risk of draining the main battery.

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[CID]

Jeez, stacking 6 was a dumb comment, and I'll certainly grab some bigger wire. I'm beginning to think I don't really need an auxiliary battery positive bus bar if I don't add more accessories than my fuse box will handle (6). Same with the ground bus. A bus bar might be useful for Key-on primary power though. This is my fuse box:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000THQ0CQ/?tag=sxsweb24-20

That fuse box is your buss bars, both positive and negative - unless you add more than 6 circuits.

 

[JoeyL]

here is the updated diagram

i think i got everything set up right this time.

also just FYI, i used one of these (becuase i had them) as my "accessory bus"
orange things are levers, and you just insert your wires and lock them down.
Amazon.com : wago lever nut

something like this will be better/smaller to connect the key on power to the switches / winch / relay

 

[JoeyL]

i missed one of your earlier comments while i was typing mine.

I'm beginning to think I don't really need an auxiliary battery positive bus bar

you are right, as long as you have the space to connect everything.
i had trouble getting 2 #6 wires connected to the batteries. it will do it, but you should really get a longer bolt. that's why i added the bus bars. in my case the aux battery + terminal needed 3 big wires and 2 smaller ones connected so it just wasn't going to work. same issue on the negative terminal

 

[Smitty335]

Just remembered I have this showing how simple it can be - the stinger control switch would be your 'key on' power source.
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The Blue Ray fuse block I used has separate grounds for every accessory fuse, the entire fuse block was grounded by a large wire back to the common ground, makes trouble shooting a lot easier, think I stole the idea from @ my99svt I think?

 

[Smitty335]

That fuse box is your buss bars, both positive and negative - unless you add more than 6 circuits.

I got the big one, I've got a least six empties and no I'm not talking about cans! Well?

 

[Papaandhistoys]

Ok guys! First of all I’d like to say what a awesome bunch of individuals you are. I didn’t thing any forum would compare to the IGOTTACUMMINS forum but yous are spot on. That being said, I don’t think anyone has asked yet! What kind of switches are yous using?(I know otr,V-series,L-series or something else), but they have a large variety. Hair loss hair loss


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[JoeyL]

Ok guys! First of all I’d like to say what a awesome bunch of individuals you are. I didn’t thing any forum would compare to the IGOTTACUMMINS forum but yous are spot on. That being said, I don’t think anyone has asked yet! What kind of switches are yous using?(I know otr,V-series,L-series or something else), but they have a large variety. Hair loss hair loss


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It’s really just a style choice. Just pick the ones you like. I liked the look of the L series but I went with the V series because they have a 3 position DPDT switch and the L series doesn’t.
You use the 3 pos DPDT for the switchable power source like I have or for on/off/auto backup lights


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[BrotherNov]

I finished my dual battery install a few minutes ago. The expertise, patience, and dedication to helping me thru this of the folks on this forum made it happen. I cannot thank you guys enough for guiding me through it. JoeyL's electrical drawings should be a sticky. I never really got it until I saw them. You guys rock. Thanks

 

[P1000_DLux]

$832 shipped to Central Illinois

You plan on driving that thing into a brick wall full tilt?