P1000 Clutch issues

[sidewayzs14]

Already made a couple posts but still can't find a remedy.

18 p1k5 is dragging when upshifting and will not complete dct relearn.

List of things I've done, new battery, cleaned grounds (two that ive found, frame and engine), replaced outer clutch basket, new emergency valve, and new dct oil pressure relief valve.

Battery has 12.4 volts off and 14.4 at idle. I've cleaned all valves for clutch body and solenoids, and took apart shift motor and cleaned. I've thrown all the parts I can think of at it and still at square one.

This machine was abused by previous owner, I haven't put 3 miles on it since I've owned it. I've read the service manual and can't find anything else to do to fix this.

PLEASE HELP

 

[Admin]

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Part #38610-HL4-003
Description VALVE, LINEAR SOLENOID

It controls the pressure to the clutch.

I would replace that part.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

#27 in the valve body

 

[Mark in Northern Iowa]

Probably what he said, ☝️ ☝️ ☝️
.
But, have you read
"replaced clutches and still slips between shifts"
and
"Importance of engine cleaning after clutch failure"
and
"Clutch/shifting issues"
☝️ ☝️ Download the PDF from post #10
.
Have a good day

 

[sidewayzs14]

Thank you, will order today. Will keep posted with updates

 

[P1K5Dave]

By "dragging" do you mean the clutches are slipping?

What gears is it slipping in? You replaced the outer clutch basket (R,1,3,5 gear.) Is it still slipping in those gears, or is it slipping in 2,4,6?

 

[sidewayzs14]

It is accelerating correctly, it is only at the shift point where engine revs with a delay or drag then shifts into next gear.

 

[P1K5Dave]

Right - in all gears, or in every other gear? Have you noticed any difference?

 

[sidewayzs14]

Consistent through all gears. No codes, fresh oil and filters. When attempting dct relearn I can hear a ticking around 6 times like a solenoid is trying to engage

 

[Remington]

Consistent through all gears. No codes, fresh oil and filters. When attempting dct relearn I can hear a ticking around 6 times like a solenoid is trying to engage

2 things, first got to hit “relpy” on someones post so u get the box above, then type your answer, cuz If there not roaming on this page or frequently coming back, they may never know that you responded.
We technically do not have to do that for you cuz your the OP and you will get a notice everytime we post on it.

Second, you have the best @snuffnwhisky giving u advise to this. Do what he says first and nothing else then report back, but dont forget to hit “reply” to him or tag him or he might not check back in to continue to help u.

 

[tjoreo]

Does your 18 have the updated clutch cover. There was some 16-Early 18s that had trouble with the clutch slipping so they had a campaign to update the cover. It allowed for more oiling for what I remember. My 18 had the updated cover so I didn't have to worry about it. Might be something to look into on the forum. I believe the updated cover has a protrusion that indicates it is the upgrade.

 

[tjoreo]

I might not fix your problem but just something to check before you have trouble again.

P1000 - Product Update - Official Pioneer 1000 Clutch Update! Expires 9/2020

ITS OFFICIAL. Honda has finally released the UPDATE CAMPAIGN set to fix all the issues many of us have been having with the clutches. Who is eligible for this update? ALL 2016 Pioneer 1000's are eligible. ALL 2017 Pioneer 1000's are eligible. 2018's are expected to come with this...

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[P1K5Dave]

Does your 18 have the updated clutch cover. There was some 16-Early 18s that had trouble with the clutch slipping so they had a campaign to update the cover. It allowed for more oiling for what I remember. My 18 had the updated cover so I didn't have to worry about it. Might be something to look into on the forum. I believe the updated cover has a protrusion that indicates it is the upgrade.

By 18 they were all shipped with the new cover, I believe. It applied to the 16's and some 17's.

 

[HondaTech]

Does your 18 have the updated clutch cover. There was some 16-Early 18s that had trouble with the clutch slipping so they had a campaign to update the cover. It allowed for more oiling for what I remember. My 18 had the updated cover so I didn't have to worry about it. Might be something to look into on the forum. I believe the updated cover has a protrusion that indicates it is the upgrade.

Only all '16 models and very few '17 models had the old cover from the factory.

 

[sidewayzs14]

#27 in the valve body


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Thank you to all who helped with replies and input. It was the solenoid. Dct relearned on first try. Game on. Will put together a thread for clutch troubleshooting soon. Hopefully Noone will have to go through this pain in the neck.

 

[P1K5Dave]

Thanks for reporting back. That alone is a huge help that many neglect to do.

Great to hear you found the issue and can get back to enjoying your ride!