P1000 Don’t have my 1000-5 yet but why dual batteries?

[Dirter]

I see all kinds of posts about how to do and the best to do it with but not really why. Why do these things need 2? Is the alternator just not up to the task of keeping the stocker charged? And if it can’t charge 1 how will it ever charge 2? Maybe it just has to be a routine thing, like filling with gas, to put it on a trickle charger at the end of a day’s ride. Perhaps y’all just turn on the lights and radio and let it sit all day jamming with a cold case?

I’ve been stocking up on goodies to install once my ride hits the dealer and if this dual battery thing is a necessary evil to be dealt with I might as well get the stuff ordered now.

thanks.

 

[tjoreo]

I'm sure some others with more knowledge will chime in, but here's my take on it. There was quite a bit of problems with the early 2016 having clutch issues. Many thought a drop in voltage might be leading to these problems. People were getting stuck and using there winches while trying to drive out, which led to burn up clutches. It was found later that the clutch problems were related to an oiling problem and I haven't heard of many if not any problems since that was fixed. The dual clutch system is still sensitive to electrical drops, but I think if you are not going to extravagant with electrical accessories (big radios, huge light bars) you will probably be fine with the single battery. I ended up putting a second one on mine because I had bought everything I needed for my previous 700. A friend of mine just has the 1 battery and doesn't have any trouble at all. He uses his rig for snow plowing which runs the winch alot, all while running 6 cube lights and a 12 volt heater to stay warm in the cab. Just my 2 cents.

 

[StewB]

I see all kinds of posts about how to do and the best to do it with but not really why. Why do these things need 2? Is the alternator just not up to the task of keeping the stocker charged? And if it can’t charge 1 how will it ever charge 2? Maybe it just has to be a routine thing, like filling with gas, to put it on a trickle charger at the end of a day’s ride. Perhaps y’all just turn on the lights and radio and let it sit all day jamming with a cold case?

I’ve been stocking up on goodies to install once my ride hits the dealer and if this dual battery thing is a necessary evil to be dealt with I might as well get the stuff ordered now.

thanks.

Can you hear the thunder of approaching opinions? I went through it myself just over a year ago.

I'll start by just skimming the surface. The Pioneer 1000-5's do not need a second battery. They do, however, have electronic clutches and some of the early models were sensitive to weak batteries. It doesn't seem like this is as much of an issue on newer models.
Where dual batteries become more wanted/needed (pick one) is when you add all those wonderful power sucking goodies and use them a lot. So you don't need dual batteries to use a winch. If, like me, you are going to plow a lot with a lot of frequent lifting, it becomes a better idea. If you are going to plow and winch a lot, whilst lighting up the horizon with 52" light bars, then the second battery is the right way to go.
I also ride deep in the back country and my dual voltmeter gives me the comfort of knowing if one battery went down fast, I have a spare. Especially if I've jammed all day with a cold case (and a designated driver, of course).

Welcome to the site.

 

[Dirter]

Thank you both very much.

 

[bumperm]

What @StewB said^^, and I'll add.

If you are ever in a position where you need to use the winch and can't run the engine, the second battery will come in handy as there is not much on-board capacity to winch for very long. Consider a 4,500 lb winch can draw up to about 180 amps at full load - less at partial loading but still a lot! When the engine is turning 5,000 rpm, the stator can provide up to 50 amps. Note that is not nearly enough to supply the winch. The deficit balance must come from on-board battery capacity. If you don't have a second battery, will there be enough to complete the winching chore? If you have a tough self-rescue, will there be enough primary battery capacity remaining to run the on-board electrical system to operate the vehicle?

The second battery is about redundancy.

 

[TripleB]

All of the above and I like having a 2nd battery because I can run my radio all night/day and when it dies, my machine will fire right up and take me home.

 

[Robobrainiac]

You have to have dual batteries in order to have 2 batteries. It's just a fact ......

The reason for why is because you can't count to 2 without two things to count.






Otherwise what others already stated is true.

 

[bumperm]

You have to have dual batteries in order to have 2 batteries. It's just a fact ......

The reason for why is because you can't count to 2 without two things to count.






Otherwise what others already stated is true.

What he said???

No matter.

Spoken with the deep and clear understanding of a true spiritual guru.

 

[P1K5Dave]

Yeah, I've gone heavy with lighting, but the main reason I like having the second battery with an isolator is so that when we're having a forest party I can run the tunes for hours (and maybe a side flood light for hanging out) and I don't need to worry about beating up my starting battety.

 

[Dirter]

You have to have dual batteries in order to have 2 batteries. It's just a fact ......

The reason for why is because you can't count to 2 without two things to count.






Otherwise what others already stated is true.

I just so happen to have a spare Interstate 600 amp extra battery. If I get some two sided tape I could stick it under the seat and run twin double ought cables to it and use it as my second dual. Maybe even add a 2-way double pole switch.

 

[Robobrainiac]

Post 63 details some of my under seat power. I strongly agree with everyone's opinion above. I run a dual battery so my winch always has some extra juice if needed and so my wife can listen to music at the garden while she works all day.

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[Hawk53]

Can you hear the thunder of approaching opinions? I went through it myself just over a year ago.

I'll start by just skimming the surface. The Pioneer 1000-5's do not need a second battery. They do, however, have electronic clutches and some of the early models were sensitive to weak batteries. It doesn't seem like this is as much of an issue on newer models.
Where dual batteries become more wanted/needed (pick one) is when you add all those wonderful power sucking goodies and use them a lot. So you don't need dual batteries to use a winch. If, like me, you are going to plow a lot with a lot of frequent lifting, it becomes a better idea. If you are going to plow and winch a lot, whilst lighting up the horizon with 52" light bars, then the second battery is the right way to go.
I also ride deep in the back country and my dual voltmeter gives me the comfort of knowing if one battery went down fast, I have a spare. Especially if I've jammed all day with a cold case (and a designated driver, of course).

Welcome to the site.

Great response !!

 

[bumperm]

Yeah, I've gone heavy with lighting, but the main reason I like having the second battery with an isolator is so that when we're having a forest party I can run the tunes for hours (and maybe a side flood light for hanging out) and I don't need to worry about beating up my starting battety.

It's people like you who upset the balance of nature by keeping all the little forest animals awake far past their bedtime. You cad!

 

[bumperm]

I just so happen to have a spare Interstate 600 amp extra battery. If I get some two sided tape I could stick it under the seat and run twin double ought cables to it and use it as my second dual. Maybe even add a 2-way double pole switch.

You could also make a fortune by hooking that sucker up and offering "trailside stick-welding and repair services".

 

[P1K5Dave]

It's people like you who upset the balance of nature by keeping all the little forest animals awake far past their bedtime. You cad!

Keeps the bears away too

 

[bumperm]

Keeps the bears away too

Maybe I should try that. I live in what's left of a 100+ year old apple orchard. We've planted a few new trees as well. Bears come down the mountain and get all liquored up on the fermented ground apples. (They'll break into cars so we don't leave keys in to keep them from DUI.) Did you know bears are Democrats? Not forward thinkers at all. They'll limb a tree to get at one apple near the top. Nary a thought to next year.

I have an electric fence to try to protect the threes. Tie a small rag on the wire with a bit of bacon grease. Bears arrive nose first, astounding acceleration as they depart. 0 to 30 in about 1 second.

 

[TripleB]

Maybe I should try that. I live in what's left of a 100+ year old apple orchard. We've planted a few new trees as well. Bears come down the mountain and get all liquored up on the fermented ground apples. (They'll break into cars so we don't leave keys in to keep them from DUI.) Did you know bears are Democrats? Not forward thinkers at all. They'll limb a tree to get at one apple near the top. Nary a thought to next year.

I have an electric fence to try to protect the threes. Tie a small rag on the wire with a bit of bacon grease. Bears arrive nose first, astounding acceleration as they depart. 0 to 30 in about 1 second.

Bears have destroyed my fruit trees the last 3 years. Beavers eat most of the bark off my 2 best peach trees 6 years ago. 1 finally died last year and the other is barely hanging on.

 

[Russ989]

It’s not absolutely necessary but you’ll want that extra juice at some point.

 

[JMynes]

1 finally died last year and the other is barely hanging on.

Bear or beaver?

 

[TripleB]

Bear or beaver?

Beaver.