P1000 Has Anyone Put A Talon Engine & DCT In A Pionner 1000??

[HBarlow]

If my old and fading brain remembers correctly, the Talon 1000 cc engine is rated @ 104 hp while the Pioneer 1000 is rated @ 74 hp. The Talon accelerates a lot harder than a Pioneer and has higher gearing. The Talon has a top speed of close to 75 while the Pioneer reaches about 65 mph.

The two vehicles use the same basic 1000cc block as far as I can tell but probably have a different compression ratio, different camshaft and bigger injectors.

I'd love to swap a Talon engine into my Pioneer. Someone, somewhere, must have done it.

 

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[Hondasxs]

Why not just put the talon cam and ecu in the Pioneer like others have?

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[HBarlow]

I wasn't aware that others had done that. Is the Talon camshaft & ECU the only difference? Wouldn't Talon injectors be required also?

Do you have any idea what the parts would cost?

If I knew a Honda tech-engine expert who lives fairly close to me and is capable of swapping the parts I would be willing to pay him to upgrade my Pioneer.

If a Honda tech not too far from Southern WV reads this and is interested please pm me.

 

[HondaTech]

Throttle bodies are also bigger. Other internal differences, but those may not matter unless your adding power.

 

[Bow4life]

Throttle bodies are also bigger. Other internal differences, but those may not matter unless your adding power.

Can a talon throttle body also be used on a pioneer? I'm interested in doing a cam and ECU swap on mine if it makes more power. I would like to have the power of a talon but I need to have the dump bed and utility of the pioneer. Has anyone done the cam swap with dyno measurements before and after?

 

[Robobrainiac]

I would be interested in a swap in the future at some point. I am interested in this topic.

 

[HBarlow]

The parts list is becoming expensive and drivability issues could result if all the differences are not included.

If a complete used Talon engine and transmission could be found and purchased it would provide the advantage of a complete package of factory parts.

 

[CID]

The parts list is becoming expensive and drivability issues could result if all the differences are not included.

If a complete used Talon engine and transmission could be found and purchased it would provide the advantage of a complete package of factory parts.

Slowpoke posted an ebay link for a used Talon engine, they wanted almost $8000 dollars for it.

For your street use, it could be a fun ride but I don't think the Pioneer's chassis/suspension would do well with 30 more HP off road - it would take a lot of discipline to keep from overdriving it. I know the Talon's suspension has saved my bacon on more than one occasion and I'm not some testosterone charged Ricky Racer. #oleguy

 

[HBarlow]

Yeah, I agree. $8,000 plus labor and unanticipated small parts would be a big price to pay for a little fun. Any components not designed for the added torque and acceleration of the Talon might break as well.

If it could be done for maybe $2500 - $3000 I might be foolish enough but $8k+ t0 break a part is not justifiable.

 

[GPR1500SC]

It can be done.
Talon sub trans front out put shaft is different, you have to run Pioneer sub trans if you pull a dial pin out, you can bolt the Pioneer subtrans on a Talon Motor.

 

[906UP]

I want to put a Talon engine in the Donkey (P5)

 

[Todd627]

I want to put a Talon engine in the Donkey (P5)

Donkey Kong!!!!