P1000 Help! my '22 trail won't start

[NorthernJoe]

Just some of the reasons that cause spark plugs to foul:

Overheating or running very hot
Rich fuel mixture
O2 sensor fault
Restricted exhaust/restricted air intake
Excess carbon buildup
Worn piston rings or cylinder walls
Work valve guides
Head gasket leak
Injector leaks
Improper gap
Ignition timing delay
Poor maintenance
Driving habits (low speed, idling)
Incorrect plugs installed
Wrong/bad fuel used

I'm going to go with running hot as she did have to work hard pulling a drag in soft snow with the tracks on, I'll add plugs to my "spare parts on hand" list

 

[john790]

Did you happen to run it low on fuel.

 

[NorthernJoe]

Did you happen to run it low on fuel.

down to 2 bars on the gauge from time to time, Filled it up, pulled the drag for an hour then problems the next morning

 

[Rayger143]

down to 2 bars on the gauge from time to time, Filled it up, pulled the drag for an hour then problems the next morning

I think you’re good now. Can’t go wrong with advice from @HondaTech. It’s good of him to check in on this site. Been helpful for many.

 

[GolfCart]

I have also seen spark plug hi voltage coils not putting out a high enough voltage (shorted coil) cause this. There is a coil for each plug, so unless both plugs are bad this shouldn't be the issue in your case.
Just want to throw that out there.

 

[NorthernJoe]

So here we go again

How many rubber band machines does it take to pull a P1K?
Answer, Two!!

Yes that's my machine with a new set of plugs
It wouldn't start so installed new plugs. fired right up, drove it for a day, parked for a day. Today it started perfectly, drove for 2 minutes and died, like some one reached over and turned off the key. So much for the new set of plugs. what's causing the plugs to die?

 

[HondaTech]

So here we go again

How many rubber band machines does it take to pull a P1K?
Answer, Two!!
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Yes that's my machine with a new set of plugs
It wouldn't start so installed new plugs. fired right up, drove it for a day, parked for a day. Today it started perfectly, drove for 2 minutes and died, like some one reached over and turned off the key. So much for the new set of plugs. what's causing the plugs to die?

Does the dash do anything when it shuts off?

Flashing any lights?

Battery cables tight?

 

[NorthernJoe]

Does the dash do anything when it shuts off?

Flashing any lights?

Battery cables tight?

No flashing lights just the check engine light and power steering light
Battery connections are tight
Grounds are tight

 

[HondaTech]

Did you put the correct plugs in, or are you still running the others.

 

[NorthernJoe]

Did you put the correct plugs in, or are you still running the others.

still on the replacements finer tip, same heat range, nickel instead of iridium But like it only went 20 km at 60 kph (tracks slow you down)

 

[NorthernJoe]

Well the machine is on it's way to the dealer. I'll let you know what they find.

 

[Remington]

Grounds are tight

Did u remove them and clean them good before just tightening them?

 

[NorthernJoe]

Did u remove them and clean them good before just tightening them?

no but when I put a wrench on them there was less than a 1/16 of a turn

 

[Remington]

no but when I put a wrench on them there was less than a 1/16 of a turn

I would still take them off and scuff up the surface with a wire brush just to make sure u have made good contact. I never trust factory grounds. Even tho they are tight, all they did was put it on. Have had many issues on standby Generators I work on with weird issues cuz of the contact with factory grounds. Sounds simple right?

 

[StewB]

I would still take them off and scuff up the surface with a wire brush just to make sure u have made good contact. I never trust factory grounds. Even tho they are tight, all they did was put it on. Have had many issues on standby Generators I work on with weird issues cuz of the contact with factory grounds. Sounds simple right?

Ditto Remington. My grounds felt snug, but they pulled them and sandpapered the contact surfaces and I've never had a problem since. Go figure.

 

[NorthernJoe]

I thought I would give you an update after I put on few miles on just to make sure that's its all good
The dealer said that the connector on the front fuel injector was not seated properly. They suggested that when I changed plugs that I probably bumped the connector and it started again. after a few miles it probably wiggled off and shut down the machine. It did come back to me with the temporary plugs I had put in, so it wasn't the plugs. They tested the factory original plugs and said they where fine. Just to make sure I covered all the bases I removed the grounds, scuffed them with sandpaper, slathered dielectric grease on them and put them back together. I had not checked the ground by the starter because as you can see Honda doesn't want you to

After a little surgery I could get to the bolt. It was super tight, but I still removed, cleaned, and greased it and put it back together