P1000 Help: Pioneer 1000 dies after it reaches normal operating temperature!

[BigNBlack7]

I have a 2016 Pioneer 1000 with 3,800 miles. Out of now where on a ride this past fall, the machine just just down abruptly as I was driving. It started up and the motor ran fine, but when you put it and any gear (R, H, or L), it acts as if it's in neutral and will not move. It displays a random gear on the screen where the R, H, or L would be. No blinking dash giving a code, no check engine lights, nothing. If you let the machine sit for a few hours, it will start up and run fine like nothing is wrong. Full power, shifting through the gears seamlessly. Randomly it will shut down again and when you start it back up it is the same as I described above.

I did an oil change and sub-transmission oil change just for good measure and to rule out any issues there. I went through and checked that all the grounds were tight. Nothing seemed to help, so I took it to my dealer to have them look at it. After them scratching their heads for a few weeks not having a clue what's wrong with it, they called me and said I need a complete new wiring harness (I was skeptical about this and figured they were just going to throw parts at it and pray) and they were going to charge me $2,500 to buy and install it. I politely declined and told them if it needs a new wiring harness I can buy one for $500 and put it on myself. So I ordered a new wiring harness for $475 from bikebandit.com and installed it. I made sure to put dielectric grease on every connection and installed it exactly as the original. I started the machine up after I was done with high hopes and took it for a drive. Everything was running fine. Full power and shifting through the gears perfectly. I made it about 200 yards and it died. Started it up again and it's doing the same thing as before. Shocker, it wasn't the wiring harness as I assumed when the dealer told me this.

At this point I've exhausted all my efforts to figure out what's wrong with it. Not myself or the dealer has any idea what's causing this. Decided to post on here and see if by some stroke of luck someone else has had this issue and was able to fix it.

Thanks!!

 

[TripleB]

Too late now but this would've been a lot cheaper part throw.

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[Adam490]

Have you tried a new battery?

 

[Neohio]

After the harness change, are you getting any new codes?
Any chance you can replicate the problem with a camera aimed at the dash and upload to youtube?
If/when it dies, please let it record for 45-60 seconds before restarting.

 

[Hondasxs]

This does not sound fuel injector related because of the below.

but when you put it and any gear (R, H, or L), it acts as if it's in neutral and will not move. It displays a random gear on the screen where the R, H, or L would be

This sounds like the gear position switch and or wire issues related to.
The gear position switch tells the computer what gear to be in. It works off ground triggers by grounding the Reverse wire to tell the computer it is in reverse. If the computer sees Reverse and Drive at the same time it will disengage the clutches and put a (--) on the display in most cases. It could also cause it to shut off in some cases.

I would start there. you can test them by grounding the correct pin for the gear. The display should reflect.

 

[Hondasxs]

Here is the wireing diagram.
P,R,N,D,L are all ground triggers. Only 1 should be triggered at a time.
Not sure about the VS sensor

 

[JiminAZ]

OP, it may be obvious from what HondaSxS provided, but my next step would be to check continuity to ground of the sensing wires while you are experiencing the problem. If more than one is continuous to ground, time for a new gear position switch. I'd even pull the connector and check the pins on the switch to ground to eliminate possibility of a wiring fault (which is low probability given your new harness).

And I'm afraid its likely time to fire your dealer. Or at least the service department. They should be able to troubleshoot this, or get Honda involved if their tech isn't sufficiently expert.

 

[BigNBlack7]

Too late now but this would've been a lot cheaper part throw.View attachment 184605

Honda Pioneer / Talon 1000 fuel injector wire repair kit. SXS1000

Fuel Injector Wiring seems to be a common issue. With many, the wires will pull right out of the OEM connectors with little effort. Hondas fix is to replace the entire wire harness and that could take months. This kit will help get you back on the trail in a short time. This is a custom kit...

store.hondasxs.com

I've actually had to replace an injector in the past when I could get the machine to run. Unfortunately, I'm not having any issues with the engine running this time. It runs balanced and smoothly. Just won't move.

 

[BigNBlack7]

Have you tried a new battery?

That was one of the first things I did was buy and install a new battery. No solution there.

 

[TripleB]

I've actually had to replace an injector in the past when I could get the machine to run. Unfortunately, I'm not having any issues with the engine running this time. It runs balanced and smoothly. Just won't move.

If you get it figured out, be sure to post it here. I plan on keeping my 1000 for a long time. I like knowing all the issues that I could have in future and how I can fix them if they arise. Thanks in advance for any info.

 

[BigNBlack7]

OP, it may be obvious from what HondaSxS provided, but my next step would be to check continuity to ground of the sensing wires while you are experiencing the problem. If more than one is continuous to ground, time for a new gear position switch. I'd even pull the connector and check the pins on the switch to ground to eliminate possibility of a wiring fault (which is low probability given your new harness).

And I'm afraid its likely time to fire your dealer. Or at least the service department. They should be able to troubleshoot this, or get Honda involved if their tech isn't sufficiently expert.

The sad truth is that they may have known what the issue is and tried to jab me with a very expensive wiring harness change in addition to fixing the actual issue (however cheap it might be). I have little to no faith in any dealer service department at this point from the experiences I've had. Very similar to a used car salesmen in by book.

 

[BigNBlack7]

After the harness change, are you getting any new codes?
Any chance you can replicate the problem with a camera aimed at the dash and upload to youtube?
If/when it dies, please let it record for 45-60 seconds before restarting.

This does not sound fuel injector related because of the below.


This sounds like the gear position switch and or wire issues related to.
The gear position switch tells the computer what gear to be in. It works off ground triggers by grounding the Reverse wire to tell the computer it is in reverse. If the computer sees Reverse and Drive at the same time it will disengage the clutches and put a (--) on the display in most cases. It could also cause it to shut off in some cases.

I would start there. you can test them by grounding the correct pin for the gear. The display should reflect.

Any idea where I could get the correct gear position switch for a 2019 P-1000?

 

[shaunp]

We had the exact same thing happen to us twice. My son videoed the event and the sxs dying when ever we shifted. We sent it to Stockton Honda and they felt it was a valve issue. The way I understood it, the "timing" was way off and the machine would sense an issue. Not sure if this makes any sense as it only happened randomly and ran fine at other times. Just got it out of the shop and it ran fine yesterday. We are grateful to hear others are working on this issue. We take our pioneer into areas it would take days to walk out of when hunting.

 

[BigNBlack7]

This does not sound fuel injector related because of the below.


This sounds like the gear position switch and or wire issues related to.
The gear position switch tells the computer what gear to be in. It works off ground triggers by grounding the Reverse wire to tell the computer it is in reverse. If the computer sees Reverse and Drive at the same time it will disengage the clutches and put a (--) on the display in most cases. It could also cause it to shut off in some cases.

I would start there. you can test them by grounding the correct pin for the gear. The display should reflect.

Where is the gear position switch located? Also, where can I find the correct replacement switch?

 

[Neohio]

@BigNBlack7 is your machine a 2016 or 2019?
Give me a few minutes and I will screenshot the page in my manual.

 

[Neohio]

 

[Hondasxs]

This is the Gear Position Switch for the Sub trans. The other one is for the DCT
Link - Honda 35759-HL4-003 - SWITCH ASSY., SUB-DRUM POSITION | Partzilla.com

 

[Neohio]

 

[Hondasxs]

Thanks @Neohio.
@BigNBlack7 , I think the problem is here somewhere.

 

[Neohio]

Thanks @Neohio.
@BigNBlack7 , I think the problem is here somewhere.

Feel free to remove my posts that do not pertain to his problems. I don't want to confuse future readers.