P1000 How to get from RV park to Trailhead

[RMG]

I have a bumper-tow Toy Hauler that I use to transport my Pioneer 1000-5, with a Dually Pickup truck. Works really well - travels down the road nice.

Here's my issue - doing most of my research online, I see that most RV Park's are a trip down the road from the trailhead I want to visit. ( I live in the Seattle area - so I am looking at a day's drive - WA, Oregon, Idaho, N Calif).

So once I get to the RV Park and get setup - in order to go riding, I am left with a few choices to get to the trail-head:

1. I could drag the camper to the trailhead - would really like to avoid this. Part of the joy camping with an RV is only setting it up once.
2. I could drive the SxS to the trail-head - and it is 'street legal' in certain counties and areas - but my fear is arriving at a park and finding out the only route to a trail-head is undriveable with the SxS - like a highway or illegal.

So I started looking for places to visit that have a close trail-head - with minimal success.

I also looked into alternate ways to get the SxS to the trailhead - like a bedsled or maybe flat-tow it behind the pickup with a tow bar.

Does anyone have suggestions to either:

1. Ways to tow a SxS behind the pickup - or how else to get to the trailhead without moving the RV. I was thinking maybe a tow dolly that would fold up and fit in the bed of the pickup - or something like that.
2. Suggestions for SxS friendly RV Parks, which seem to be in much more abundance on the east coast, but no so much around here.

 

[Neohio]

Welcome to the club!
I would suggest calling the campsites close to the trails you want to visit and see what is common for their attendees.
If you choose to drive your SXS on the road, make sure you have the proper ATV/UTV plates and any other permits that may be required for the trail system.

Most Police are real people and decent human beings. If they pull you over, be polite and treat them with respect. Explain why you are driving and hopefully they send you on your way.

 

[Someguy]

I have a bumper-tow Toy Hauler that I use to transport my Pioneer 1000-5, with a Dually Pickup truck. Works really well - travels down the road nice.

Here's my issue - doing most of my research online, I see that most RV Park's are a trip down the road from the trailhead I want to visit. ( I live in the Seattle area - so I am looking at a day's drive - WA, Oregon, Idaho, N Calif).

So once I get to the RV Park and get setup - in order to go riding, I am left with a few choices to get to the trail-head:

1. I could drag the camper to the trailhead - would really like to avoid this. Part of the joy camping with an RV is only setting it up once.
2. I could drive the SxS to the trail-head - and it is 'street legal' in certain counties and areas - but my fear is arriving at a park and finding out the only route to a trail-head is undriveable with the SxS - like a highway or illegal.

So I started looking for places to visit that have a close trail-head - with minimal success.

I also looked into alternate ways to get the SxS to the trailhead - like a bedsled or maybe flat-tow it behind the pickup with a tow bar.

Does anyone have suggestions to either:

1. Ways to tow a SxS behind the pickup - or how else to get to the trailhead without moving the RV. I was thinking maybe a tow dolly that would fold up and fit in the bed of the pickup - or something like that.
2. Suggestions for SxS friendly RV Parks, which seem to be in much more abundance on the east coast, but no so much around here.

I don't know the laws in Washington, but in some states you can you can get a permit to tow double trailers. If you can tow a second trailer behind your toy hauler to get to your camp site, then use the trailer to haul to trail head.

 

[nbomar]

I don't know the laws in Washington, but in some states you can you can get a permit to tow double trailers. If you can tow a second trailer behind your toy hauler to get to your camp site, then use the trailer to haul to trail head.

The lead trailer needs to be a fifth wheel or gooseneck style trailer to do this legally.


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[Landman]

I don't know the laws in Washington, but in some states you can you can get a permit to tow double trailers. If you can tow a second trailer behind your toy hauler to get to your camp site, then use the trailer to haul to trail head.

The lead trailer needs to be a fifth wheel or gooseneck style trailer to do this legally.


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Here's a spreadsheet with the state by state info for double trailer towing, including some other useful info.

Edit - recreated the document so Google's Excel viewer wouldn't screw it up... should be more viewer friendly now.

 

[DDDonkey]

On my last truck I had a diamond back truck cover the I could load one sxs or 2 ATVs on. They are expensive but might work for you, let us know what you figure out.

 

[ohanacreek]

Here's a spreadsheet with the state by state info for double trailer towing, including some other useful info.

Thats somewhat confusing it seems like Alabama allows it then says it does not.

This 2009 Graphic is sadly the most up today info I can find.


I ran across a Class A diesel pusher with 20k miles on it yesterday that needs roof work. Its a steal if its body is somewhat solid and I was considering a dbl tow but as of a phone call this morning Alabama for sure does not allow it, so its a 30' enclosed to carry the Pioneer and Explorer.

Also Alabama requires a CDL if your trailer and truck GCWR is over 26000, doesn't matter if the Combined weight is only 12k because the trailer is empty or you are not a business. There is a exemption for trailers rated under 10000 if its 9990 it does not add to the GCWR total so your truck could be a F-550 an have a GVWR of 25999 and the trailer have a GVWR of 9990 and it would not require a CDL.

Thing is a RV does NOT require a CDL even if the RV and trailer Combined weight is over 26000 or the GCWR is 50000 it doesn't matter.

Me thinks the last two might be to insure a revenue stream instead of a safety measure.

 

[ohanacreek]

On my last truck I had a diamond back truck cover the I could load one sxs or 2 ATVs on. They are expensive but might work for you, let us know what you figure out.

Diamond Back is rated for 1600lbs MAX and that includes your weight loading the machine according to Diamond back there is NO wiggle room. There are several over the cab SxS/UTV carriers that are about the same price as a DBack and are rated for 2000-2500lbs. You would need a Dually to meet payload ratings a set of airbags may level it out but don't actually increase load capacity.

 

[Landman]

Thats somewhat confusing

Yeah, it's a bit cleaner looking if you download the file and use excel locally on your computer if you have it. Google's excel viewer kinda messes up the view. I had to piece together info from a pdf file that split pages so you couldn't tell what state some of the info was going to.

 

[ohanacreek]

Not trying to a killjoy or a dick, I have been on the lookout for options to pull a trailer and a SxS safely and within payload/tow ratings.
I keep running into walls caused by weight problems that cutting out biscuits and gravy ain't gonna fix.

 

[ohanacreek]

Yeah, it's a bit cleaner looking if you download the file and use excel locally on your computer if you have it. Google's excel viewer kinda messes up the view. I had to piece together info from a pdf file that split pages so you couldn't tell what state some of the info was going to.

Ok thats cleaner and upon digging AL does in fact require trailers over 3k GVWR to have brakes, but they don't require them to be sold with them only over 5500 GVWR???? Also it says 55mph speed limit but not limited by law other than posted speed limits.

Our State constitution is the longest constitution in the world 3 times longer than the longest nations constitution so theres bound to be plenty of stupid and contradictory state laws on the books as well, Montgomery is all about generating revenue, then epically wasting it like a teenager with a credit card.

 

[Plumber32]

The lead trailer needs to be a fifth wheel or gooseneck style trailer to do this legally.


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Not everywhere. Wisconsin you can use 2 bumper trailers. Illinois you need a 5th wheel 1st but I believe Indiana, ky, Tenn all let you do 2 bumper pulls

 

[RMG]

Diamond Back is rated for 1600lbs MAX and that includes your weight loading the machine according to Diamond back there is NO wiggle room. There are several over the cab SxS/UTV carriers that are about the same price as a DBack and are rated for 2000-2500lbs. You would need a Dually to meet payload ratings a set of airbags may level it out but don't actually increase load capacity.

Yes - I have looked at some of the BedSled's out there - and they are pricey - I guess I will spend the money if I have to, but it seems a waste to just get a UTV 30 miles down the road.

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I'll look into if it is possible to flat-tow the SxS behind my pickup with a tow-bar - and not do damage to the transmission (or anything else).

 

[RMG]

Not trying to a killjoy or a dick, I have been on the lookout for options to pull a trailer and a SxS safely and within payload/tow ratings.
I keep running into walls caused by weight problems that cutting out biscuits and gravy ain't gonna fix.

There is no solution worth cutting out Biscuits and Gravy!

 

[Rustell]

RMG.. I take it you have Washingtons' "Restricted" plate. We have found you are good to go most anywhere in Idaho and Conconully Wa. is very Utv/Atv friendly . Home :: Conconully Washington Chamber of Commerce .

 

[elkaholic]

Thats somewhat confusing it seems like Alabama allows it then says it does not.

This 2009 Graphic is sadly the most up today info I can find.
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I ran across a Class A diesel pusher with 20k miles on it yesterday that needs roof work. Its a steal if its body is somewhat solid and I was considering a dbl tow but as of a phone call this morning Alabama for sure does not allow it, so its a 30' enclosed to carry the Pioneer and Explorer.

Also Alabama requires a CDL if your trailer and truck GCWR is over 26000, doesn't matter if the Combined weight is only 12k because the trailer is empty or you are not a business. There is a exemption for trailers rated under 10000 if its 9990 it does not add to the GCWR total so your truck could be a F-550 an have a GVWR of 25999 and the trailer have a GVWR of 9990 and it would not require a CDL.

Thing is a RV does NOT require a CDL even if the RV and trailer Combined weight is over 26000 or the GCWR is 50000 it doesn't matter.

Me thinks the last two might be to insure a revenue stream instead of a safety measure.

South Carolina requires a non commercial license if your truck or RV weighs more than 26k pounds and a different class if it is 26K or more and pulling a trailer weighing 10K or more. It is essentially the same test as a CDL with a few exceptions:

- no physical
- no pre trip inspection
- no air brake test (even if you have air brakes)
- no test on hours of service

I have the latter class (Class F). When I took the test I had to back my Haulmark motor home and Jeep into a loading dock.


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[oldtrucks]

Come to Idaho. You can ride pretty much every where except on state or federal highways. Your registration from Washington should be good here. There are thousands of miles of roads and trails to ride.

 

[Cuoutdoors]

Sounds like the flat tow option might be cheapest and easiest.

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[rooter]

I have a bumper-tow Toy Hauler that I use to transport my Pioneer 1000-5, with a Dually Pickup truck. Works really well - travels down the road nice.

Here's my issue - doing most of my research online, I see that most RV Park's are a trip down the road from the trailhead I want to visit. ( I live in the Seattle area - so I am looking at a day's drive - WA, Oregon, Idaho, N Calif).

So once I get to the RV Park and get setup - in order to go riding, I am left with a few choices to get to the trail-head:

1. I could drag the camper to the trailhead - would really like to avoid this. Part of the joy camping with an RV is only setting it up once.
2. I could drive the SxS to the trail-head - and it is 'street legal' in certain counties and areas - but my fear is arriving at a park and finding out the only route to a trail-head is undriveable with the SxS - like a highway or illegal.

So I started looking for places to visit that have a close trail-head - with minimal success.

I also looked into alternate ways to get the SxS to the trailhead - like a bedsled or maybe flat-tow it behind the pickup with a tow bar.

Does anyone have suggestions to either:

1. Ways to tow a SxS behind the pickup - or how else to get to the trailhead without moving the RV. I was thinking maybe a tow dolly that would fold up and fit in the bed of the pickup - or something like that.
2. Suggestions for SxS friendly RV Parks, which seem to be in much more abundance on the east coast, but no so much around here.

Most states allow you to flat tow you sxs behind your truck on certain roads. Some states allow you to drive your sxs on certain roads near and around riding areas.
What toy hauler do you have that fits you pioneer well?

 

[SpeedBuggy]

These T bar trailers will break down and slide in your toy hauler for short trips. I have not used one but looks like a good solution

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