sometimes you just sit back and look and what you want to build then how you want it to look well i found max axle bind for a rhino axle and thats max compared to stock drop on the DS so we are looking at a true 3-4" arched front a arm lift.......BTW i sat idle for over a year with the baddest p5 just to watch everyone go crazy with theirs!!! so I've decided after i build some jigs for my lifts and after the takeover this year shes getting a frame up build and maybe a round tubed frame but i gave away the crown and now im going to take it back !!!!!!! keep building guys the p5 has endless possibilities