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Outlaw trails in WV set to be outlawed.

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  1. dnjones161

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    And for the record I don't fancy the outlaw trails, but I hate to see what little revenue the area has be cut into by a poorly written rule.
     
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    I live 45 minutes away from The Hatfield and McCoy trail system. I have never ridden it. Too many rules and regulations.
     
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    I guess everything has it’s good and bad points.
     
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    Do you only ride outlaws? Im wanting to try the spearhead trails soon.
     
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    The overbearing regulation and rules have kept us from making the trip at all. As I have talked with people here that seems to be a general consensus, its 7hours and no one wants to ride there when they can make a 4-5hours trip to TN and not be over-regulated.
     
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    I am NOT in favor of riders riding on private land, outlaw trails should be punishable just like trespassing and I am in favor of the gov getting 10% of the fine to process it and the landowner whose land you were riding on get the other 90%.
     
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    Possible, but I know alot of riders from up here in Ohio go down 5-6 hours to ride those trails. All of a sudden they see this news and think twice about a 1000 dollar fine and they may decide to take their business elsewhere, at least until the dust settles and the internet reports how it's being enforced.

    I imagine some closer folks will have to test the waters before the people that are putting in a solid days drive to come ride will test it out. Just the optics will be bad for business, at least for a while.
     
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    I just got home from Gilbert, WV riding Rockhouse system and some of Devil Anse. I spoke with quite a few local folks about this issue including the owners of Twin Hollow Campround who run a sxs tour company.

    Universally (including by local government officials who asked not to be named) I was told that the issue is that folks have been utilizing HM trails then riding past “Trail Closed” signs onto active mining sites and/or active haul roads. In the last year or so, there have been several significant accidents that have resulted in injury / death and the HM Authority and mine operators are pushing this bill to put a bit more bite into riding off of HM trails past trail closed signs or mine company signs denoting no ATV / UTV / Fourwheeler access. The law has been written broadly to include all active (or bonded) mine areas so that it is clear that the legislation does not merely apply to the HM trail right-of-ways.

    Part of the issue has happened on the Rockhouse system with folks trying to get to an old play area overlooking Twin Hollow Campground which has been off limits for several years due to active mining.

    I asked the tour operator specifically about the vagueness of the pending legislation as they run a tour that covers 125 miles of which maybe 25 are on HM ROWs. He stated that he has been assured the the so called outlaw trails that do not abut to HM ROWs are not impacted nor are they intended to be closed unless the landowner has the entrance gated or posted.

    I took the comments as a positive sign but was still concerned about enforcement of trespassing laws.

    I allegedly might have ridden some gravel and dirt surface county roads and two tracks on Sunday and may have enjoyed those trails a metric s*** ton more than the official HM trails we ran Saturday (though I will say that trail 97 on Rockhouse turned us around - only safe way up a ledge section was to pull cable and use all my straps and 50’ winchline extwnsion - tipping here would have been a 300 foot roll down the side of the mountain). I saw two no trespassing signs on Sunday that I honored and one mining company sign stating no ATV / UTV traffic that I also honored (though it was clear to me the mine had ceased operations for at least 5-6 months).

    In summary, I do not believe the bill is written well and does leave a lot of room to start a slippery slope. On the other hand, Southern WV derives a significant part of their economic activity from off highway motorized recreation and I do not think the local governments will allow the wider interpretations to occur over the long-term. I am unclear on the short term.

    Picture proof that I was in the area from Sunday (pardon the helmet hair)

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    This one is from near a cemetery later on Sunday (near KY/WV line)
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    #152 elkaholic, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM
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