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I do not have first-hand experience with the Harbor Freight stuff, but I have a Jeeper friend that bought a HF stick welder back in like 2006. Sales guy says to him: "you're going to want to purchase the full replacement warranty on that", friend kind of shrugged it, then sales guy says: "No, you ARE going to want to buy the warranty". He did and he had to take the welder back 3 times to get a new one on his first project.

Then about 2014 he bought a HF 110V, flux core MIG. Got the warranty, to my knowledge has not had to replace it, welded sheet metal in the tub of his CJ-5 with it. Welds look horrible. A year later, he "boat-sides" the CJ-5, but went back to HF and bought the shielding gas kit, a bottle of gas and better wire. Welds look better, but still crappy penetration.

As for TIG- my only experience is a couple friends that do body work on the side and they both have Miller AC/DC units.

I can say that over the years of welding and being around people that weld, I would not get cheap on the welder. Like CID says, buy once, cry once. You will never regret spending the money after the 3rd of 4th time you use it.

Another option would be to look around for a used one. Guy I work with that's a car nut, who has been paying shops to do the resto work on his cars, wants to learn and start doing it himself. I showed him how to MIG with my old Century then he went looking for a Miller suitcase. He finds a Miller 130 at a pawn shop and picks it up for $200 with extra spools of wire, torch parts, power cables, basically everything but the bottle of shielding gas. So rather than new, I'd look around for name brand used.
 
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Appreciate the responses thus far. I've already ruled out the HF offerings (both Vulcan and Titanium). What I will say is that HF welders have come a VERY long way since 2006, but when they only offer a 90-day warranty on a $1,200 MP unit (that doesn't even do AC TIG), that speaks volumes.

I've spent a bunch of time doing more research and watching plenty of YouTube videos on everything from red & blue to the cheapest of the cheap, as well as all things in between.

I've recently come across Primeweld.com. Anybody heard of them? Boatloads of recommendations around the net.

While the units are built overseas, they have real human being US-based support that is available 7 days a week. Countless posts and comments confirm they deliver on this, too.

Primeweld products include a 3-year transferrable no-hassle warranty that includes shipping BOTH ways (if needed). Ever read the Miller True Blue Warranty? It's a cornucopia of 1/2/3/4/5 year coverages, depending upon what component went bad. Lincoln does a similar thing. Miller makes most of their products in the US, while Lincoln makes their welders in the US, Canada, and China.

Based on the hundreds (that I've read) comments and feedback, Primeweld has a very solid offering at a significantly lower price than red & blue. All kinds of guys who claim to run Miller & Lincoln at work/professionally have nothing but good things to say about Primeweld when it comes to performance compared to blue & red.

The TIG225X AC/DC TIG unit gets nothing but countless stellar reviews and can be had for only $869. It comes with genuine CK17 Worldwide torch standard and options for other CK torches (including water cooled torches). Things like torches are where the lower quality units cheap out to keep their prices low. If you're familiar with TIG welding, you'll be impressed by the 225x's features at that price point. Their big boy is the TIG325X AC/DC @ $1,349 with an improved feature set and 100 more amps. Both units are compatible with their Maxcool3000 welding water cooler and a variety of CK Worldwide water-cooled torches (~$600 to add the cooler and upgrade the torch).

For ~$4500, I can get a Miller Multimatic 220 ACDC MP unit (GMAW @ 230A, SMAW @ 200A, AC and DC GTAW @ 210A).

For $1850, you can get TWO Primeweld machines: The TIG225X (AC and DC GTAW @ 225A and SMAW @ 180A) *and* their MIG285 (GMAW @ 285A, SMAW @ 250A, and DC GTAW @ 250A). And for just over half the price of the Miller 220 ($2,400 total for everything), you can get all the above including the water cooler AND the water cooled CK Worldwide torch.

No matter which way you go, you get good warranty and US-based customer support.

Tough choice. Still on the fence.
 
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All I can say Scoop is give it a try?

I only point out the red and blue machines because I know many people that have them and the machines are 20 ~ 30 years old and they have had zero problems with them. Likewise, I have had zero issues with my Century, I'd say look at them, but I believe Century was bought out by Lincoln and are now Lincoln's with a Century sticker on them.

Aa you said, you are not looking to do production welding with it, only hobby stuff. So if Primeweld has a solid rep., good warranty and looks well built- try one. I mostly wanted to point you away from the HF stuff (yes they have come a long way since 2006) or the cheapy-chinese stuff on Amazon.
 
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I don't wanna spend 5k on a welder I don't use everyday but will spend 30k+ on a SXS with farkles that sits 320 days a year. 🤣

Not a welder but can do so. I invested in a Lincoln Power Mig 210 MP that does stick, mig, tig spent $1500 4.5 years ago welded everything from thin sheet metal push mower decks to 3/8 thick steel on box blades and tractor front end loader. Does great for my use which is maybe 10 days a year fixing neighbors stuff.

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Haven't followed this thread real close so I may have already said this, I'm in the buy-once, cry-once crowd. Picked up a Miller Multimatic 200 for less than half of new, used but less than a year old. I don't weld a lot but when I do it's fricken sweet, should've went that route years ago.
 
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Another option.
I bought this with a spool gun for aluminum and stainless.
I no longer do heavy repair, so this fit the bill fixing neighbors tractors and DIY stuff.
Simple to operate and find a sweet spot.
115/220 . Miller and Hobart are one and same. 5/2/1 year warranty...
Consumables are quality and reasonably priced too.
 
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I don't wanna spend 5k on a welder I don't use everyday but will spend 30k+ on a SXS with farkles that sits 320 days a year. 🤣
Actually, it was $65K for 2 machines and all the farkles, but keep on hating ... ✌️

Oh, my P1K5 gets used year round. Just the day before yesterday, I took down a 40-45 foot 20" oak and winched it out, piece by piece, up a hill so I could buck it and prepare it for the splitter. Far more than 320 days a year here. Not bad for a dumbass with one leg.

Not a welder but can do so. I invested in a Lincoln Power Mig 210 MP that does stick, mig, tig spent $1500 4.5 years ago welded everything from thin sheet metal push mower decks to 3/8 thick steel on box blades and tractor front end loader. Does great for my use which is maybe 10 days a year fixing neighbors stuff.
That unit does NOT do AC TIG, which is what's needed for most aluminum work.
 
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Another option.
I bought this with a spool gun for aluminum and stainless.
I no longer do heavy repair, so this fit the bill fixing neighbors tractors and DIY stuff.
Simple to operate and find a sweet spot.
115/220 . Miller and Hobart are one and same.
Consumables are quality and reasonably priced too.
Appreciate the input, DS1K. Thanks!
 
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20 year Aerospace welder and I have owned everything. I have a Primeweld 225X and would put it up against my Miller Dynasty DX280, it's less power but the controls, functions, ramps, pre/post flow settings and all the minor settings are extremely comparable. Low amp starts are super crisp.
 
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20 year Aerospace welder and I have owned everything. I have a Primeweld 225X and would put it up against my Miller Dynasty DX280, it's less power but the controls, functions, ramps, pre/post flow settings and all the minor settings are extremely comparable. Low amp starts are super crisp.
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What do you think of the TIG325X?
 
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Actually, it was $65K for 2 machines and all the farkles, but keep on hating ... ✌️


That unit does NOT do AC TIG, which is what's needed for most aluminum work.
Well I don't know s*** about welding, but it came with an aluminum spool gun and gas setup for argon.
 
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Thanks, @-Bear-

What do you think of the TIG325X?
I have one at my Business and it is great. It's overpowered for what we weld but I have had a couple instances where I needed 275 amps and I can't get that from the 225X. It is the same machine, just more power for those higher amps. You can make up the difference with using preheat and a helium mixture when using AC.
 
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Well I don't know s*** about welding, but it came with an aluminum spool gun and gas setup for argon.
You most certainly can MIG aluminum, but it won't look as good. Spool guns are often used because aluminum wire jams up between the spool and the gun. But TIG gives you a stonger weld vs MIG, especially with aluminum, and has a far better finished look.
 
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I have one at my Business and it is great. It's overpowered for what we weld but I have had a couple instances where I needed 275 amps and I can't get that from the 225X. It is the same machine, just more power for those higher amps. You can make up the difference with using preheat and a helium mixture when using AC.
Thanks. I like that all the adjustments/settings can be seen in the digital display - but not sure it's worth the extra $600 for that and +100A.

I love the idea of only ~$600 more for a water cooler and the CK20 water cooled torch for the 225X.
 
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Thanks. I like that all the adjustments/settings can be seen in the digital display - but not sure it's worth the extra $600 for that and +100A.

I love the idea of only ~$600 more for a water cooler and the CK20 water cooled torch for the 225X.
Jodie (Welding tips and tricks) is offering a Flex Loc torch which is a WP9 or a WP20 (air cooled vs water) with the purchase of a 225X while supplies last during a Black Friday sale for tomorrow.
 
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I have a 45 year old Marquette 220V wire-feed. These were designed for sale to body shops, primarily as a thin material welder, and haven't been available for at least 25-30 years, but it's capable of welding much thicker material with good penetration but requires a bit more prep work for materials over 3/16 - 1/4". It's been a solid welder, and is significantly more capable than my welding talents.

Here's a couple gates I built for the back yard with my Thermodyne hand held plasma and my little welder...

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I've had an Everlast Lightning MTS275 (Mig/Tig/Stick) on my list of things to get for awhile now. It's no Team Red or Blue, but they get great reviews and it'll do everything that I could ever need. I also believe, at least the last time I looked, that it is the only multi process machine that will do both AC and DC Tig.

Anyone have any experience with them?
Everlast welders are pretty good boxes for the coin. I have two of them in my home shop.

Not one lick of trouble with either.

I have a powerpro 164

And a cyclone 200es

The powerpro I bought from home depot and the cyclone I bought direct from Everlast.

Lots and lots of good videos on them from Mr Tig ect on YouTube.

Back in the days I was a fabrication engineer and a CWI. We ran Lincoln’s and millers in our shop. Love the blue and red, but for my hobby work, I make just as good as welds for 25% of the cost.

With my powerpro, I can switch to liquid cooling and really push it. I haven’t yet, but I’ve Tig welded a bunch of custom aluminum trailer parts and parts for my P1k5 and such. Done quite a bit of 1/4 and 3/8 aluminum Tig work with it.

For something you’re going to make a living with, red or blue is the only route. For the home joe six pack, Everlast gets my vote.
 
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I have a Primeweld 225X and would put it up against my Miller Dynasty DX280, it's less power but the controls, functions, ramps, pre/post flow settings and all the minor settings are extremely comparable. Low amp starts are super crisp.
I ended up grabbing the Primeweld TIG225X AC/DC TIG welder directly from their web site during their Black Friday sale.

Hard to believe I could get a good quality 225A inverter machine that does both AC and DC GTAW (including hi/lo/off pulse) and SMAW with a legit CK17 Superflex torch w/ HF arc start, and a 3-year no hassle warranty & 7-day a week support for only $764. I'll probably add a water-cooled torch (CK20) and Primeweld cooler down the road.

Thanks for everyone's input.

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