16-21 Front upper control arm repair kit Pioneer 1000 All variations

[Bighat]

I only have about 900 mile on my machine. Why do you say I will need this kit? What does in correct or fix? Do these machines have a problem?

 

[Admin]

 

[Neohio]

@Neohio bring one of those sets with you next month. I searched for the washers and cant find them!
We will install thEm on an LE to coferm proper fitment.

Sounds like a good Friday project while you work and the wives go shopping.

 

[Neohio]

I only have about 900 mile on my machine. Why do you say I will need this kit? What does in correct or fix? Do these machines have a problem?

No set mileage for the upper a arm holes to egg/elongate. Every machine is different.
The holes typically wear faster if you change from stock arms to aftermarket on the 16-21 models.
I have a 16 with roughly 3000 miles on it. I am starting to get a wandering feeling when driving it at moderate speeds. I have some shop time scheduled later this season to inspect my machine to see where the wander is coming from. Right now it is used as a glorified golf cart at camp. No real danger going under 10 mph.

Do they have a problem?
Too many variables to give a concrete answer. The single bolt upper is a problem that has been addressed by Honda for the 22 machines. They went from a single 10mm bolt, to a dual 12mm bolt. It is also common for the welds to fail holding the tabs to the frame. I am working with my laser fab guy to get some different bracket options designed and cut. That is longer term though.

 

[Russ989]

No set mileage for the upper a arm holes to egg/elongate. Every machine is different.
The holes typically wear faster if you change from stock arms to aftermarket on the 16-21 models.
I have a 16 with roughly 3000 miles on it. I am starting to get a wandering feeling when driving it at moderate speeds. I have some shop time scheduled later this season to inspect my machine to see where the wander is coming from. Right now it is used as a glorified golf cart at camp. No real danger going under 10 mph.

Do they have a problem?
Too many variables to give a concrete answer. The single bolt upper is a problem that has been addressed by Honda for the 22 machines. They went from a single 10mm bolt, to a dual 12mm bolt. It is also common for the welds to fail holding the tabs to the frame. I am working with my laser fab guy to get some different bracket options designed and cut. That is longer term though.

Yep, been there and done that.

 

[Neohio]

Yep, been there and done that.
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Did you re-enforce at all?
Or was this a quick fix so Carter could finish his chores?

 

[Russ989]

Did you re-enforce at all?
Or was this a quick fix so Carter could finish his chores?

Quick fix for chores but picked up the steel to make gussets.

 

[ToddACimer]

Quick fix for chores but picked up the steel to make gussets.

I like using 2x2x.125 wall square tubing and you cut a 45° piece off for a nice 90° gusset. Mark the bolt hole in the gusset tab and then weld the washer on before welding the gusset to the frame. Also make sure there's a vertical weld on both a-arm tabs to the frame. Seems Honda missed that weld or didn't go the full height behind the a-arm pivot

 

[Bad_Kharmah]

What are the metal specs for the washers with this kit?