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BRed 2010 Big Red timing or decompression issue?

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Looking for some ideas. I have a 2010 big red that has been going through starters. I have put 3 on in the last 6 months and the last one I did is bad now. Currently the machine will only turn over one time and stop. I checked the valves and they are moving. I had been buying the cheap $100ish ones and thought that might be my problem so the last one I bought was a Honda starter. The machine cranks hard and seems to kick back against the starter (which I think is causing them to fail). I rebuilt this motor personally two years ago and the problem is getting worse. I have two other big reds that I have rebuilt and they don’t have any issues so before I condem the machine I would like some suggestions. Thank you for any input.
 
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Did you go to stock specs on compression during the rebuild?

Do you really think the machine is "kicking back"- IE firing well before the Piston is at TDC? If thats the case, the only thing I could think of is if the flywheel has somehow shifted on the crank (which triggers the crank position sensor). A long shot might me some type of inductence from other wires running too close to the crank sensor wires...but that type of problem was dealt with in the early days of fuel injection.

These engines do have a decompression device on the cam. If you think the promblem is simply struggling to get passed TDC, that's where I would start looking.
 

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In the back of my mind I thought I remember the Big Red / Rincon shearing the flywheels key.
Google it and check, that's going back a ways for me, memory isn't what I once imagined it was.
 
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In the back of my mind I thought I remember the Big Red / Rincon shearing the flywheels key.
Google it and check, that's going back a ways for me, memory isn't what I once imagined it was.
Hmm...

I know the BR seemed to eat starters. The Pioneer 700, to my knowledge, doesn't seem to have those issues. Wonder what they changed?

Also: @HondaTech
 

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Did you go to stock specs on compression during the rebuild?

Do you really think the machine is "kicking back"- IE firing well before the Piston is at TDC? If thats the case, the only thing I could think of is if the flywheel has somehow shifted on the crank (which triggers the crank position sensor). A long shot might me some type of inductence from other wires running too close to the crank sensor wires...but that type of problem was dealt with in the early days of fuel injection.

These engines do have a decompression device on the cam. If you think the promblem is simply struggling to get passed TDC, that's where I would start looking.
Well, I said kick back for lack of a better term. If the flywheel has shifted that would make sense. It acts like it’s out of time. Thanks
 
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Stmbch

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Hmm...

I know the BR seemed to eat starters. The Pioneer 700, to my knowledge, doesn't seem to have those issues. Wonder what they changed?

Also: @HondaTech
I have a 2014 pioneer and they definitely spin over faster and start better than the big reds ever did. I am in South Dakota so even in the cold it fires right up.
 

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In the back of my mind I thought I remember the Big Red / Rincon shearing the flywheels key.
Google it and check, that's going back a ways for me, memory isn't what I once imagined it was.
Thank you I will look into it.
 
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I haven't really heard about many Pioneer 700's with this issue (same engine). I wonder if you could use one for a Pioneer...or if the starter is even different?
 

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I have a 2014 pioneer and they definitely spin over faster and start better than the big reds ever did. I am in South Dakota so even in the cold it fires right up.
I’m in SD too. Installed a second battery in parallel and that took care of any kickback.
 
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Hondarider..has installing the second battery still taken care of the kickback issue?
Anyone else have any solutions/ideas?
I have put 3 starters on my 2012 Big Red in the last 2 years...great machine other than that issue.
 
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