P700 Front Brake Pads - Pioneer $157 vs Big Red $76???

[Hondasxs]

Update - this applies so the Pioneer 700-2, 700-4, and 500
All have the same front pad part #'s for front and rear pads!

There was some talk last week about the Pioneer front pads being the same as the Big Red front pads for 1/2 the price. Puzzled by the price difference I decided to order a set of each and find out what the difference was. I already had a set of Pioneer pads on back-order for over 2 weeks. I ordered a set of the Big Red pads and they arrived in a timely manor. Finally the ones for the Pioneer arrived today!

Now that I have both sets lets compare the differences.

Pioneer set (P) - Black pads
This set is the BLACK set and is stamped "HONDA", and "JB NF77". It also has a painted marking of "DA229" on one and "DA722" on the other. The outside pad has a metal spacer/pad that fits over the back side of the pad. The inside pad has a alert feeler to alert you when they are getting closely warn down.

Big Red set (BR) - Silver pads
This set is the SILVER set and is stamped "NISSIN", "NKX16FF", and "H4 t60". It also has a painted marking of "2T27" on one and "2T29" on the other. The inside pad has a alert feeler to alert you when they are getting closely warn down.


Right out of the box the only difference is this metal spacer/pad attached to the back of the outside pad. Surely that does not cost $80.96???

The pad mount plate is the same shape and size.

Upon closer inspection you will notice that the silver set (BR) is 1.50mm skinnier then the black set (P) without the spacer.

The grove for the silver set (BR) is twice as large then the black set (P).

Then there is the unknown factor of the pad materiel. As we are unable to conclude if the pad materials are the same. If the Pioneer set has a higher grade materiel then this could be the price difference.

Our conclusion: The FRONT pads for the Big Red will work as a alternative replacement for your Pioneer Fronts. (rears will not)

Pioneer Front Brakes - $157.74

• Left - $78.87 - 06451-HL3-A00
• Right - $78.87 -06452-HL3-A00

Big Red Front Brake Pads - $76.78

• Left - $38.39 - 06451-HL1-A01
• Right - $38.39 -06452-HL1-A01

NOTE: The Big Red REAR Pads WILL NOT fit with a Pioneer! Use Rincon Rear pads.

UPDATE
Found a great source for aftermarket pads
I cant commit on quality but for %80 less then OEM I'm sold!
http://www.d2moto.com/Honda-Pioneer-Brake-Pads.html

 

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[bigc]

Re: Front Brake Pads - Pioneer $157 vs Big Red $76

looks like the big red pads are sintered bronze and the pioneer pads are asbestos- bronze will last way longer

 

[DG Rider]

Nice job!

 

[TandT]

Thanks, For all your research and info on this, Great Job! This will save some of us some money when it's time to replace the pads. Thanks Again.

 

[JoKer150]

I can also confirm the rear pad is the same as the Rincon

 

[Hondasxs]

UPDATE
Found a great source for aftermarket pads
I cant commit on quality but for %80 less then OEM I'm sold!

Rear Pads for Rincon (fits Pioneer REAR ONLY!)
http://www.d2moto.com/2003-2005-Honda-T ... 21018.html
or
http://www.d2moto.com/2006-2011-Honda-T ... 21024.html

Front Pads for Pioneer / Big Red
http://www.d2moto.com/2014-Honda-Pionee ... 30225.html
or
http://www.d2moto.com/2014-Honda-Pionee ... 30224.html

 

[rofday]

I put a set of front brakes from d2moto can't say how long they last but cheap prices

 

[kurtlamoreau]

my front went out after 143 miles. Honda would not warranty them. I used EBC and so far after 50 more miles they are doing great.

 

[hurld]

500 miles & my front stock pads look great. Guess I don't use the brakes as much as others.

 

[Hondasxs]

Just did mine this weekend. @ 470 miles.

 

[wyo700]

This is crazy how some go fast and some don't. I have almost 1000 miles and my pads looks brand new still. Has anything been pin pointed on why this is happening to some of you.

 

[ohanacreek]

I don't know let's compare and see what starts to emerge as commonalities.


Mine is at 676 and look basically new. I don't go fast and THEN brake hard often if at all I generally let the engine braking take off most of the speed, it's slow crawling up and rough hills 3-10mph , 25-30mph at most on open trails, wide open 40-45mph on pavement when we're trail riding (mud is not my thing, I'm simply too lazy/cheap to clean 500lbs of thick red Alabama clay out of all the nooks and crannies every time I ride then clean up my driveway because my other choice is spend $50 at a coin wash) or slow going (<15mph) around our small 20acres carrying tools or feed for the deer feeders.

 

[Westtnpioneer]

Well at a little over 600 the Big Red pads are gone and Honda, of course says nothing is wrong. I went ahead and ordered a new master cylinder which will hopefully be here by this coming Friday to install.

 

[Hondasxs]

Update, This also applies with the Pioneer 500 as it uses the same part # front and rear.

 

[jpigott]

Does anybody know if the rotors are the same Big Red/Pioneer? My pads are completely gone and I also need to replace one rotor (grooved real bad).

 

[ohanacreek]

45251-HL1-A01 Is the Front rotor for the 2013 Big Red $51.61
45251-HL3-A00 is the Front rotor for the 2014 Pioneer $48.88
Id just get the Pioneer rotors.

Prices are from Cheapcycleparts.com


A quick check of the specs show that they are the same diameter, which would have been a good thing to assume since they can use the same brake pads.
You might try to get one of each from your dealer and check. Mounting may be completely different.

 

[sxs2015]

How does one know if one needs new brakes??

 

[jpigott]

My brakes started to squeak during an outing and got home and pulled off the front wheels to inspect. Pads on both sides were completely gone and one rotor is grooved. no warning!!!! the "squeak" tab should have been closer to the rotor.

 

[sxs2015]

Easy to change??

 

[BigRiver]

Just ordered a full set of the d2moto's for under $38.00, I'll roll the dice.