ohanacreek
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Most do.
I've seen several on fb say they make good tunes...but Everytime you ask one of them for hard evidence like a dyno sheet, the one guy gets defensive and starts calling everyone names. At this point, I think he has been kicked off most of the FB pioneer pages.
He told @Alan_Vander he was on the "banned buyer list" because he ask these questions and wouldn't take the usual "I've been tuning for weeks" filler for an answer. I've also seen several claims made that I'd have a very difficult time believing, and at this point, I wouldn't buy a tune from them if it could lay rubber for a block.
Just my .02.
Lol yeah this is the kinda of thing i like to see when someone is talking about a tune. Show me real world numbers. Nice video and ride.
For the record the guy told me you cant tune a vehicle on a dyno
. Um ok. 
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ohanacreek
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Lol yeah this is the kinda of thing i like to see when someone is talking about a tune. Show me real world numbers. Nice video and ride.
For the record the guy told me you cant tune a vehicle on a dyno. Um ok.
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You can you just need a 4 wheel dyno and it has to be done in 4WD, he probably doesn't have one or access to one without paying for it.
The sensors won't let it shift out of first if the front and rear wheels aren't spinning close to the same speed.
I4wd thing or 1000 thing? cause the discussion we had was about a tune on a 700.
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ohanacreek
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Mine shifts through all 3 gears on a jack on the back
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ohanacreek
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Mine shifts through all 3 gears on a jack on the back
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I don't trust anyone who won't produce a dyne sheet, That touts MASSIVE GAINS.
Same guys that add a cold air intake and say their truck will beat a Lambo or something equally ridiculous.
You aren't going to find massive gains on the Pioneer motor without forced induction and even then you've HAVE to change cam and injectors, AND mod the ECU etc...
You might get a little more grunt right off idle and reduce some torque management with ECU mods, but other than that you aren't getting huge adds of power without mechanical changes. Don't hope for it, don't expect it, Honda has engineered them for durability not power. Even on the 1000 if you change out the parts, which requires machining, for AT parts you may gain HP but you lose low end torque. Talon parts are better but still not perfect and still requires machining, if you add all the Talon parts and perform all the machining correctly you can add the Talon ECU with some programming changes, and it run great BUT, its not JUST ECU tuning.
If I weren't going to do something really crazy with mechanical parts and even if I were, I would buy the PV3 and the Autotune for it, that will get you the best tune based off YOUR machine. I am not sure about the 700 but you can mod the shift points on the 1000 which may help with your style of riding.
This is pretty much what i was telling the guy
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My favs were:
Saying they could "double the power" at a certain RPM. I think this was in reference to the 1k.
Last week he told someone he could get the 700 to run 62-70 with a gearset (which I assume to be the Rincon gears) and a tune, but still have "stockish bottom end power".
Saying they could "double the power" at a certain RPM. I think this was in reference to the 1k.
Last week he told someone he could get the 700 to run 62-70 with a gearset (which I assume to be the Rincon gears) and a tune, but still have "stockish bottom end power".
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ohanacreek
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Not even with a turbo!!!
@spifyd did it about 5 years ago and performance was only on par with a showroom floor P1000 to about 55.
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That build thread was a good read on the 700, even if you don't want to turbo one. Wish he still posted...
ohanacreek
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Z
Sorry guys, I'm doing the waiting game. Have talked to them several times on the phone and seem to be good fellas, just wish they would give a true date and quit pushing it back. They may have taken on more work than they can handle? They were quick on sending the dragy out so I assume its backlog on available man hours.
Plan to get the "trail" tune, which I think will be good test against Hess. Then an E-85 tune, which i heard really wakes them up. The remaining 2 I'm not sure on yet.
Plan to get the "trail" tune, which I think will be good test against Hess. Then an E-85 tune, which i heard really wakes them up. The remaining 2 I'm not sure on yet.
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@z28camaro82 Suprised they are still in business considering they have been banned by all the FB pages and this site. Be sure to run a wideband if your running e85 and make sure the afr is good so u dont burn your motor down.
ohanacreek
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They were not banned by the forum, they deleted their own account, after you tried you help him and he started his antics. He was run off by the members themselves.
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I will have to check into that, thanks for the information.
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I put the COPS tune in the other day.. just ripped up and down my field.... there is a difference to the hess tune, but I'm not sure I believe the numbers on the app I'm using.
Hess showed a 2.4 0-20mph
Cops showed a 1.9 0-20mph
in a field.. kinda muddy... 3 times each.. this weekend I'm going to go grab some pavement.. reload the hess... give it a few runs.. then do the same with the COPS... I'm so far satisfied with both tunes.... I mean with the Hess tune I wasn't completely left in the dust by a bunch of RZR's and X3's this weekend. I had a couple guys actually kinda impressed how well my pioneer does.
Hess showed a 2.4 0-20mph
Cops showed a 1.9 0-20mph
in a field.. kinda muddy... 3 times each.. this weekend I'm going to go grab some pavement.. reload the hess... give it a few runs.. then do the same with the COPS... I'm so far satisfied with both tunes.... I mean with the Hess tune I wasn't completely left in the dust by a bunch of RZR's and X3's this weekend. I had a couple guys actually kinda impressed how well my pioneer does.
Z
I have been told they are rich the first two WOT tests that you do, just an fyi. Since you did 0-20 is that in Low then? Which tune did you go with from them?
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