P700 Honda Pioneer 700 no fire searched all forums and still stumped

[Shawn_z400]

My dad has a 2015 p700 2. He uses it for putting around his 14 acres and at his deer lease. He called to ask for help with a weird issue. After seeing it in person I am completely stumped.

Symptom:
Try to start machine and it just turns over will not start. Tried the gas peddle trick (Hold down peddle full throttle while cranking machine slowly lift peddle) and that worked a few days but now that doesn't even work. Once started it runs great.

Trouble shooting:
New battery was installed Battery reads 12V when machine is running 14V
I ran through testing the ignition system (Coil, stator, ckp sensor) according to the service manual and all readings are with in spec. I am at a total loss!!!

PLEASE HELP ME figure this out for MY DAD!
Feel free to call or txt if you have had the issue before and know the resolution!!!!
281-622-5307 Shawn

 

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[DG Rider]

Have you tested for actual spark? Check that. If the spark is weak or irratic, throw a plugs in and retest.

Check fuel pressure.
Check exhaust for restrictions. Pull the spark arrester.
Check compression.

The 700's occasionally eat a cam, but seems like they usually start and run when this happens.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Have you checked the plug?

 

[Shawn_z400]

Put two new plugs in it. checked spark, it does not get spark, hense the no fire. However sometimes it will get spark and thats when the machine starts. I will say the times i got it to start while trouble shooting it took the machine alot of cranking to actually start. Have not checked the exhaust yet.

 

[DG Rider]

Put two new plugs in it. checked spark, it does not get spark, hense the no fire.

Well...that would be the problem. Or at least a problem. Check the wiring back from the coil for damage. Also, it think this all goes through a relay. You can find a wiring diagram somewhere around here for the 2014. Should be similar.

Disconnect the two wires to the coil. Keep track of where they go. Get a test light or voltmeter.
Connect one lead to good ground (test it to be sure) and probe the connectors with the other. One of 2 wires should have battery voltage at all times when the key is in run position. You should be able to stick the probe inside the little rubber boots, so you can go hands free while wiggling wires looking for the light/meter to flicker. Again, check the relays and even wiggle the ignition switch while on. If you have nothing, there is a power supply issue to the coil.

If you have steady voltage here, move to the opposite wire.

Here, a test light will be better, as a meter may not sample fast enough to get a good ideal if what's going on. Connect one end of the test light to battery positive (+), and the other end to this second terminal. Cut the key on, and then to start (test light will probably light up). As the engine is cranking, the test light should flash. This is the ECU grounding the coil to fire it.
If you have a nice, consistent flash, and had voltage on the other terminal in the previous step, but still have no/erratic spark, the coil is bad.

If the test light flash is erratic or non-existent, it could be a crank position sensor or ECU issue (but always confirm wiring integrity to the ECM to be sure).

 

[Shawn_z400]

Thanks DG Ill run these tests and reply back with results. will take a day or two since i have to run to my dads.

 

[Treysmith]

Thanks DG Ill run these tests and reply back with results. will take a day or two since i have to run to my dads.

Did you ever figure it out because mine has the same problem and I can’t figure it out

 

[906UP]

Did you ever figure it out because mine has the same problem and I can’t figure it out

Try disconnecting the voltage regulator and crank it over and check for spark, I had a Rincon years ago, the regulator shorted internally and had no spark, when unplugged it had spark and run

 

[Glock21user]

Try disconnecting the voltage regulator and crank it over and check for spark, I had a Rincon years ago, the regulator shorted internally and had no spark, when unplugged it had spark and run

I never connected this funny enough but yes this has happened to me as well on a Rincon.

 

[Remington]

Did you ever figure it out because mine has the same problem and I can’t figure it out

Just FYI, that guy hasnt been on here in just about 3 yrs and the one you tagged him on was his last.

Try starting a new thread to get more looks at your issue and please post what u figure out! Dont be the guy you just tagged! and for god sakes post some pics of your rig or Barney Fife will be after you!

 

[Smitty335]

Just FYI, that guy hasnt been on here in just about 3 yrs and the one you tagged him on was his last.

Try starting a new thread to get more looks at your issue and for god sakes post some pics of your rig or Barney Fife will be after you!

You tell him Barney! HA!

 

[Gohonda2]

 

[Treysmith]

My dad has a 2015 p700 2. He uses it for putting around his 14 acres and at his deer lease. He called to ask for help with a weird issue. After seeing it in person I am completely stumped.

Symptom:
Try to start machine and it just turns over will not start. Tried the gas peddle trick (Hold down peddle full throttle while cranking machine slowly lift peddle) and that worked a few days but now that doesn't even work. Once started it runs great.

Trouble shooting:
New battery was installed Battery reads 12V when machine is running 14V
I ran through testing the ignition system (Coil, stator, ckp sensor) according to the service manual and all readings are with in spec. I am at a total loss!!!

PLEASE HELP ME figure this out for MY DAD!
Feel free to call or txt if you have had the issue before and know the resolution!!!!
281-622-5307 Shawn

Did you ever figure it out my 2015 pioneer is doing same thing I need help text me at 850 419 6744 if you did figure anything out