Honda Talon 1000 i4WD rock crawling - Impossible without a locker!

[jamesh]

Odd how everyone thinks a locker would have made the hill climb better when the contacting wheel was still spinning with the I4WD....

 

[Admin]

 

[Vikes79]

Watching 3 wheels spin just to get one wheel activated is a bit unnerving.

All that shock loading has to go somewhere, and it’s not into thin air.

I think the better question is is there any doubt a locker wouldn’t have made it?

 

[snuffnwhisky]

The main issue with the I4WD is if your bouncing and/or bringing a tire off the ground. It doesn't respond fast enough and you loose momentum. I've saw quiet a few videos climbing some pretty rough spots that would have been a lot easier for the machine if it was locked. A lot of them are having to hit stuff harder because of a wheel not pulling when it touches down.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Watching 3 wheels spin just to get one wheel activated is a bit unnerving.

All that shock loading had to go somewhere, and it’s not into thin air.

I think the better question is is there any doubt a locker wouldn’t have made it?

Polaris 4wd is like that except both fronts. You’re in 2wd till it spins a little then connecting the front. Seen and heard many many guys explode parts off jumps and bumps because of it. It’s hard on things and you do have to hit stuff more aggressively.
Hondas system does seem to be a lot more forgiving on parts and it’s only one front wheel that’s in question not both.

 

[jamesh]

Okay I can see your point on the wheels spinning a bit to get activation. I don't see myself climbing anything more than what was in that video, but who knows?. If a simple on-all-the-time solution works for that situation, it works for me.

I have read and seen on some videos that the I4WD can get "confused" in sand and mud when both wheels are spinning a lot and bog the engine braking both sides too much. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, but a locker option would be nice.

 

[popeye]

Along with the potential to have a wire rub on the front diff, hopefully the I4wd module can handle having the wheel speed sensor wires grounded out with out damage


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[Dirtstiffs-1000]

A split second a wheel is off the ground and all this conjecture... go ride

 

[GWH]

If you drive a pickup in this environment, you probably need a front locker.
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If you drive a pickup in this environment, you'll be fine with I-4WD.
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Questions?

What I see is ,if u want a bad ass off road capable truck ,buy a Chevy

 

[HappyCamper]

I've never bought a machine before just for fun though, and I'm thinking the Talon is just what I need for my mid-life crisis. It was that or a younger woman, and I think the Talon will bring far less drama.

Yah, and a whoooooole lot less expensive!

 

[WillyBill]

Sure does... I've had a Rincon and a Rancher since 2003.. The front ends work exactly the same except you (the human) need to apply a little front brake to make the non spinning wheel spin. Now with the inclusion of electronics, the Talon does the same job only the user input (us humans) is no longer required.... Bet we will still see those who insist on a locker of some sort, which in my humble opinion is like putting 33" BFG K2's tires on a Bicycle.

Sorry to differ but...IMHO my P5 with a torque locker is the s***s baby!!!👍😎

 

[jamesh]

Sorry to differ but...IMHO my P5 with a torque locker is the s***s baby!!!👍😎

You'd trade your p5 and its glorious locker for a talon in an instance if one was foolish enough to offer. Dont even lie and act like you wouldn't.

 

[lee]

You'd trade your p5 and its glorious locker for a talon in an instance if one was foolish enough to offer. Dont even lie and act like you wouldn't.

No I would not.
I live in a 50" state, I ride in other 50" states.
Besides, Talon doesn't offer enough challenge for me.
With a Talon it's like "see that mountain, no problem".
With a P500 if you get on top of that mountain you know you accomplished something.
P500 is no cry baby millennial 'wheres my participation trophy' rig, you gotta want it.

 

[jamesh]

No I would not.
I live in a 50" state, I ride in other 50" states.
Besides, Talon doesn't offer enough challenge for me.
With a Talon it's like "see that mountain, no problem".
With a P500 if you get on top of that mountain you know you accomplished something.
P500 is no cry baby millennial 'wheres my participation trophy' rig, you gotta want it.

Haha, if you're all about the "challenge" turn that P500 in for a mountain bike.

 

[rickoshea]

What I see is ,if u want a bad ass off road capable truck ,buy a Chevy

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤦‍♂️

 

[lee]

Haha, if you're all about the "challenge" turn that P500 in for a mountain bike.

Too fat and old for that 😜

 

[JTW]

Pffft... y’all need to get dirt bikes if you want a challenge.

 

[lee]

Pffft... y’all need to get dirt bikes if you want a challenge.

Says the guy who couldn't handle a p500.



(Remind me again, what was this thread about?)

 

[JTW]

Says the guy who couldn't handle a p500.

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Nope... wasn’t enough power between my legs in a p500.

 

[JTW]

Besides I got tired of peddling!!

 

[jamesh]

Besides I got tired of peddling!! View attachment 190049

Is that a picture of the Pioneer 1000?