P700 Oil drain plug access panel?

[JimmyA]

I changed my oil and filter for the first time for me today. The 1st service was done by the Stealer and I will be calling them in the AM! The first thing I found was the hardware to the access panel was overtightened so much that one of the ears to the cover was broken. I now get to order another cover to replace it. The drain plug was over tightened so much that the threads are surely stretched to almost stripped. The oil filter cover bolt was so tight that it took two hands to break loose. No doubt a torque wrench was not used at the Stealership as the drain plug was supposed to be 18ft lbs access cover 9ft lbs and filter cover 13ft lbs. There is a Stealership less than 25mi from me but when I purchased the 700, I traveled 235mi to purchase due to reputation and quality of service. The one nearest me sux as they have serviced my last two Goldwings and did piss poor work that I learned to service them myself, it looks like where I purchase the UTV won't be servicing it either anymore. By the way, I need another access cover to replace the broken one? Any Ideas

 

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[Gorms]

That's just why I do my own work, especially the easy stuff. It really is not hard, but if you hand a 90 lb kid an impact gun any bolt can be over tightened. If tight is good tighter is better....

 

[William]

I now use a quarter inch ratchet on all drain plugs on my pioneer... A little snug is tight enough... No torque wrench necessary. They are dumb....

 

[Hondasxs]

I now use a quarter inch ratchet on all drain plugs on my pioneer... A little snug is tight enough... No torque wrench necessary. They are dumb....

Totally agree.
Too many people have gotten into trouble because they had to torque them till it popped. Unfortunately it was the bolt that popped.

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[sporttrac4x4]

I changed my oil and filter for the first time for me today. The 1st service was done by the Stealer and I will be calling them in the AM! The first thing I found was the hardware to the access panel was overtightened so much that one of the ears to the cover was broken. I now get to order another cover to replace it. The drain plug was over tightened so much that the threads are surely stretched to almost stripped. The oil filter cover bolt was so tight that it took two hands to break loose. No doubt a torque wrench was not used at the Stealership as the drain plug was supposed to be 18ft lbs access cover 9ft lbs and filter cover 13ft lbs. There is a Stealership less than 25mi from me but when I purchased the 700, I traveled 235mi to purchase due to reputation and quality of service. The one nearest me sux as they have serviced my last two Goldwings and did piss poor work that I learned to service them myself, it looks like where I purchase the UTV won't be servicing it either anymore. By the way, I need another access cover to replace the broken one? Any Ideas

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[HondaTech]

Not trying to take up for anyone, but I've had those bolts rip the hole out when removing them for the first service. They get seized in those clips and the plastic is the weak spot. I always anti seize them when I reinstall.

 

[tjoreo]

Here's the part from Rockymountain. Looks like just a couple of bucks. The bolts for mine were getting beat up pretty bad and made it trouble to get them off, so I ended up putting some hex drive round headed screws in there place. Sorry for your bad luck but stories like this just make me realize I'm lucky to be handy enough to fix my own stuff.

 

[JimmyA]

Here's the part from Rockymountain. Looks like just a couple of bucks. The bolts for mine were getting beat up pretty bad and made it trouble to get them off, so I ended up putting some hex drive round headed screws in there place. Sorry for your bad luck but stories like this just make me realize I'm lucky to be handy enough to fix my own stuff.
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Thanks! Just what I was looking for.

 

[BobFarrell]

I changed my oil and filter for the first time for me today. The 1st service was done by the Stealer and I will be calling them in the AM! The first thing I found was the hardware to the access panel was overtightened so much that one of the ears to the cover was broken. I now get to order another cover to replace it. The drain plug was over tightened so much that the threads are surely stretched to almost stripped. The oil filter cover bolt was so tight that it took two hands to break loose. No doubt a torque wrench was not used at the Stealership as the drain plug was supposed to be 18ft lbs access cover 9ft lbs and filter cover 13ft lbs. There is a Stealership less than 25mi from me but when I purchased the 700, I traveled 235mi to purchase due to reputation and quality of service. The one nearest me sux as they have serviced my last two Goldwings and did piss poor work that I learned to service them myself, it looks like where I purchase the UTV won't be servicing it either anymore. By the way, I need another access cover to replace the broken one? Any Ideas

Just to let everyone know, this issue hasn't been resolved for 2021 either!!!!! This is from Talon X2.
Attached is a picture of the two bolts that hold the Trans. Filter cover. The one on the left, never seemed to tighten. Then it just snapped. Fortunately, I was able to extract it using a left-handed drill bit (Harbor Freight).
In looking at the one on the right, it appears that the bolt stretched. Notice that the threads are different??? Very strange!! I took them to Ride Now and showed it to the Service Dept.. They claim to have never seen anything like it before. They also did not have the screws in stock but told me that I could get a bolt at Ace Hardware and wouldn't be an issue. Question: how does a is metal screw stretch in an aluminum block??? I'm wondering if the screws are made of soft metal to keep from stripping the aluminum threads in the block?? There's not a lit of room to drill out and use a heli-coil. Anyway, be sure to check your threads EVERY time!!! It'll be worth your time!!

 

[HondaTech]

Just to let everyone know, this issue hasn't been resolved for 2021 either!!!!! This is from Talon X2.
Attached is a picture of the two bolts that hold the Trans. Filter cover. The one on the left, never seemed to tighten. Then it just snapped. Fortunately, I was able to extract it using a left-handed drill bit (Harbor Freight).
In looking at the one on the right, it appears that the bolt stretched. Notice that the threads are different??? Very strange!! I took them to Ride Now and showed it to the Service Dept.. They claim to have never seen anything like it before. They also did not have the screws in stock but told me that I could get a bolt at Ace Hardware and wouldn't be an issue. Question: how does a is metal screw stretch in an aluminum block??? I'm wondering if the screws are made of soft metal to keep from stripping the aluminum threads in the block?? There's not a lit of room to drill out and use a heli-coil. Anyway, be sure to check your threads EVERY time!!! It'll be worth your time!!

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I cant say I've ever seen this on a Talon or Pioneer. But the response of "buy it a Ace Hardware is bulls***". We probably dont have these in stock either, but would've either gotten them ordered or found something to work until they arrived.

Like yourself, i would think the threads would strip before the bolt would stretch. Ive seen bolts break off in aluminum if the bolt was tightened quickly with an impact. Since they are shorter bolts they might be at more of a risk to break instead of stripping threads.

 

[Jerryg]

Just to let everyone know, this issue hasn't been resolved for 2021 either!!!!! This is from Talon X2.
Attached is a picture of the two bolts that hold the Trans. Filter cover. The one on the left, never seemed to tighten. Then it just snapped. Fortunately, I was able to extract it using a left-handed drill bit (Harbor Freight).
In looking at the one on the right, it appears that the bolt stretched. Notice that the threads are different??? Very strange!! I took them to Ride Now and showed it to the Service Dept.. They claim to have never seen anything like it before. They also did not have the screws in stock but told me that I could get a bolt at Ace Hardware and wouldn't be an issue. Question: how does a is metal screw stretch in an aluminum block??? I'm wondering if the screws are made of soft metal to keep from stripping the aluminum threads in the block?? There's not a lit of room to drill out and use a heli-coil. Anyway, be sure to check your threads EVERY time!!! It'll be worth your time!!

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Looks like cheap Chinese hardware to me.

 

[lee]

filter cover 13ft lbs.

My old Rancher 350 service manual says 7 lbf-ft for the cover.
It's the same basic structure, same bolt.
My pet theory is 13 lbf-ft is the book value for a new, dry (no oil) bolt at the factory.
Some were along the way some collage boy with a degree from a fancy collage saw the "mistake" and fixed it.
(I'm sure collage boy knows what a torque wrench is, saw it once in one of his classes)

@Jerryg I'd rather stretch a bolt than strip the casting.
Heli-coils are no fun, did one last weekend on my truck.

 

[BobFarrell]

I cant say I've ever seen this on a Talon or Pioneer. But the response of "buy it a Ace Hardware is bulls***". We probably dont have these in stock either, but would've either gotten them ordered or found something to work until they arrived.

Like yourself, i would think the threads would strip before the bolt would stretch. Ive seen bolts break off in aluminum if the bolt was tightened quickly with an impact. Since they are shorter bolts they might be at more of a risk to break instead of stripping threads.

To be exact, they offered to order the bolts but said it would take 4-5 days for delivery. I asked if the bolts were "special" or if there was any reason I couldn't get replacement bolts at Ace and they said "no, that wouldn't be a problem. "

 

[Jerryg]

@Jerryg I'd rather stretch a bolt than strip the casting.
Heli-coils are no fun, did one last weekend on my truck.

I would rather neither.

 

[BobFarrell]

I've done several.... Had a Corvair (aluminum block). Stripped bolts were common as the oil pan alone has 17 bolts. After a while, it's no big deal. Just gotta take it slow.

 

[DG Rider]

My old Rancher 350 service manual says 7 lbf-ft for the cover.
It's the same basic structure, same bolt.
My pet theory is 13 lbf-ft is the book value for a new, dry (no oil) bolt at the factory.
Some were along the way some collage boy with a degree from a fancy collage saw the "mistake" and fixed it.
(I'm sure collage boy knows what a torque wrench is, saw it once in one of his classes)

@Jerryg I'd rather stretch a bolt than strip the casting.
Heli-coils are no fun, did one last weekend on my truck.

My old 450S had the same valve adjustment tappets and locknuts as the 700, yet the torque specs are different.

As for the other stuff, it is my professional opinion that Honda uses s*** fasteners in many places. The cars are the same way. DO NOT use a torque wrench on those filter bolts. We concluded some time ago that they won't handle the recommended torque. Use a regular wrench/socket and common sense.

 

[oldfortyfive]

Honda has always had soft crappy fasteners. They weren't any better all the way back to on my 75 XL350.