P500 P500 Roll Over Angle

[PaulF]

Maybe @PaulF would have a better or different opinion, he seems to understand suspensions pretty well. The way I take it from experience is you don't need the sway bars in slow speed trail riding / rock crawling, you get better articulation without them, high speed stuff, you would be out of your mind to remove the sway bars. Ok Paul take it away!

I have an opinion, not sure if it is any better. Everything below pertains to traveling on a slope sideways. I assume the 500 has a rear sway bar only.

Sway bars are a double edge sward off of pavement. Here is some reasons...

• The sway bar will keep the machine more parallel to the ground and less "tippy" on smooth ground BUT...
• If your rear up-hill side tire goes over an obstacle, the sway bar causes the rear to angle more tipping the entire machine more than if there was no sway bar because the rear tires don't articulate separately.
• If your rear down hill side tire goes in a hole, the sway bar causes the rear to angle more tipping the entire machine more than if there was no sway bar because the rear tires don't articulate separately.
• Without a sway bar, the machine will tip a little bit more overall BUT, the rear articulates more and the machine stays more parallel to the ground when you hit obstacles.

As far as rock crawling, you want as much wheel articulation as you can get and the Talon sway bar is the Devil. It is so stiff my BIL said my rear suspension barely articulated when crawling. I removed it and the difference was night and day. The Talon is a beast over rocks without the sway bar and it does't rock back and forth violently anymore when going over big obstacles at an angle.

High speed straight I actually prefer no sway bar for a much smoother ride but high speed with turns or winding fast trail riding the sway bar is a must.

So as you can see, it depends on the ground you are traveling on and the type of driving, and not so much the angle. This is why I chose to install a Quick Release Sway Bar Link Kit on my Talon. If the terrain/driving style changes, I can stop, connect or disconnect the sway bar in about 30 seconds and off I go. By far the best $200 spent on my machine so far...

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[Montecresto]

Maybe @PaulF would have a better or different opinion, he seems to understand suspensions pretty well. The way I take it from experience is you don't need the sway bars in slow speed trail riding / rock crawling, you get better articulation without them, high speed stuff, you would be out of your mind to remove the sway bars. Ok Paul take it away!

You don’t even have a P5, never rode in one. 🤣🤣🤣

This forum is familiar with the belly of your 1000-5 though lol....

 

[Montecresto]

I have an opinion, not sure if it is any better. Everything below pertains to traveling on a slope sideways. I assume the 500 has a rear sway bar only.

Sway bars are a double edge sward off of pavement. Here is some reasons...

• The sway bar will keep the machine more parallel to the ground and less "tippy" on smooth ground BUT...
• If your rear up-hill side tire goes over an obstacle, the sway bar causes the rear to angle more tipping the entire machine more than if there was no sway bar because the rear tires don't articulate separately.
• If your rear down hill side tire goes in a hole, the sway bar causes the rear to angle more tipping the entire machine more than if there was no sway bar because the rear tires don't articulate separately.
• Without a sway bar, the machine will tip a little bit more overall BUT, the rear articulates more and the machine stays more parallel to the ground when you hit obstacles.

As far as rock crawling, you want as much wheel articulation as you can get and the Talon sway bar is the Devil. It is so stiff my BIL said my rear suspension barely articulated when crawling. I removed it and the difference was night and day. The Talon is a beast over rocks without the sway bar and it does't rock back and forth violently anymore when going over big obstacles at an angle.

High speed straight I actually prefer no sway bar for a much smoother ride but high speed with turns or winding fast trail riding the sway bar is a must.

So as you can see, it depends on the ground you are traveling on and the type of driving, and not so much the angle. This is why I chose to install a Quick Release Sway Bar Link Kit on my Talon. If the terrain/driving style changes, I can stop, connect or disconnect the sway bar in about 30 seconds and off I go. By far the best $200 spent on my machine so far...

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Sway bar or no sway bar, don’t ride off camber in a P5.....🤣

 

[JCart]

Guess I’ve been lucky... not laid mine over yet. When I first got it I parked it on a side hill with pucker meter at full on. Got out and tried to pull it over and couldn’t... would only slide downhill. Still feels just awful when you get close... never heard of the 33.5 degree angle will keep that in mind and perhaps set up my iPhone to see, just for fun.

 

[KYhillbilly]

mine had sway bar connected when it went over, going slow and didn't see hole full of leaves and rock on uphill side again to many leaves. Son was driving and if he had not been nervous and would have gunned it to get past it would have been ok. Instead a slow motion tip over. Was before i installed winch and put a strap and snatch block in machine so it was a 1.5 mile hike back to get Rancher with winch to pull it upright. Now i have 1.5" spacers on rear and it is much more stable.

 

[Splorin]

My excavator and tractor don't have sway bars either. Tighten your butthole to the seat and see where the 'edge' is. You'll know after a while....

 

[Alan_Vander]

I put an tilt meter in my Talon and then realized that the 38.x* on the placard is a static number. Add one small bump during an off camber (dynamic) and over ya go. Carry a highlift jack or ride with some strong good ole boyz.

Winch a short strap and a snatch block does the trick nicely.

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[Alan_Vander]

And with sway bars?

Doesnt matter on a static angle. If your on flat surface itll go over the same time with or without. No off camber angles sway bar being off actually helps out. Seen it too many times around me with the razrs in off camber mud holes. Down back tire not letting it push away because the sway bar is holding it up cause the upper back tire is pushed so far its using both sides of the shocks on 1 tire. Effectively putting it on its side. But seen them remove and go through same hole and not go over. Most the time they never even came close to the same body angle.

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[Smitty335]

You don’t even have a P5, never rode in one. 🤣🤣🤣

This forum is familiar with the belly of your 1000-5 though lol....

HA!