Pioneer 1k vs talon diffon diff

[Jefferson87]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen the actual differences between the pioneer 1k and talon differentials, besides the slight difference in ratios?

Axle spline count and size? Pinion size?

Been day dreaming about about selectable lockers front and rear on my Talon, and was just wondering if they are similar at all.

Edit: man did I butcher the title

 

[Admin]

 

[Jefferson87]

Very similar if memory serves me right when I looked them up on babbits

Never heard of that site before. Looks like you can get a complete rear diff for $400 and a front for $370. Way less than I would have expected.

Still no way to look up spline count or any of that.

 

[Jefferson87]

That entire diff or just case with no internals

I just looked again, its the differential assembly it's self, not the entire unit. I figured it was too good to be true

 

[906UP]

Never heard of that site before. Looks like you can get a complete rear diff for $400 and a front for $370. Way less than I would have expected.

Still no way to look up spline count or any of that.

Babbits is just another multiline dealer, they're located in Muskegon MI. I used to deal with them during my motocross days when I lived in W Mich. They went all in with the online stuff and bought up a lot of domain names.

 

[906UP]

I just looked again, its the differential assembly it's self, not the entire unit. I figured it was too good to be true

Keep at it..... that's how I came up with & found the parts for the P500 gear mod. I looked over part schematics for months to find the right combination.

 

[Ragnar406]

Wouldn’t the talons be different for I4WD? Probably similar to the LE

 

[906UP]

Wouldn’t the talons be different for I4WD? Probably similar to the LE

You're probably right, I haven't looked into it, I'm pretty satisfied with the i4wd so I haven't given it much thought. I'll do some checking when I get back from dinner, I'm willing to bet the case, aside from sensor holes, is the same across the P1K/Talon line but the actuator that engages the front drive shaft is different for the i4wd.

 

[Jefferson87]

Says assembly

Wouldn’t the talons be different for I4WD? Probably similar to the LE

That's what I'm trying to get rid of

 

[Ragnar406]

That's what I'm trying to get rid of

That is why I pointed - it out the I4WD uses different Axles .. so they will not fit in a non I4WD dif.

 

[Jefferson87]

That is why I pointed - it out the I4WD uses different Axles .. so they will not fit in a non I4WD dif.

OK, so maybe I would need to use the pioneer axles also. Does anyone know how those compare?