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That's beautiful! Don't see any love mates though, HA! If it happens , it happens, don't think Bars or Churches are the best place to look for a good women, you might be on to something here! Every time a man losses there wife and is a member of a Church, here come all the widows with green bean salads!
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Here's the lady that yelled at me today. Said I don't listen. I wasn't listening to getting yelled at either...
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I forgot to ask if you have gotten your knee taken care of?
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It's still there. Let's just say that yesterday I was in a Baptist church and was thankful that I wasn't in a Catholic Church. No Kneeling in the prior. Unless of course its a really southern baptist: screaming fire and brimstone and those people kneel and occasionally you'll find funny folks dancing with rattlers and testing a fools fate.
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I've had my right knee worked on a couple times, all good for years now.
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My son-in-law's grandpa was a dentist down in Moscow. Did very well and bought a cabin on 10 acres on Priest River as a vacation home in the 80's. Eventually built a 3000 sq ft custom cabin, shop, boat dock with lift, the works. Used the original cabin as a guest home.
Eventually he sold his Moscow home and bought an Arizona home. He lived in Arizona during the winter and at the Idaho "cabin" in the summer. Living the dream.
Well, he's in his late 80's now and has dementia. Had to be put in a home this Spring.
He wanted the family to have the place on Priest River but they couldn't afford the taxes. Dang shame the man can't leave what he built to his family due to how high property values and taxes went up.
I don't know the specific numbers, but the property is worth north of $5 million now and the taxes are a couple grand a month.
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Could do some high end airbnb or something to generate income for it. Need a caretaker until it sells? That's what I do in NC for the family land. I would just rather the family land be in Idaho.
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That's some good thinking right there, but I don't think the two sons are up for it. One is an airline pilot that lives out of a suitcase and has an alcoholic ex wife that is bleeding him dry, and the other is a guy that can't keep a job more than a year; keeps moving his family around and burning bridges everywhere he goes. He and I started the dump truck business and he ended up stealing around $15k from me.
Unfortunately, my daughter married his son. The son is a great kid, however, and has learned from his father's mistakes.
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AgreedThat truly is a sad story.
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I must have misunderstood the taxes on the Priest River property. Idaho has an annual property tax rate of 1.91%.
On a home valued at $5 million, that's $95,500 a year in taxes, or, $7900 a month. Which is correct because my parent's house in Moscow is valued at around $550k and my dad was telling me he pays around $900 a month.
But, I did a realty search and the most comparable home and property I could find was "only" $2.7 million, which would be $4300 a month in taxes. All I know is that I heard it second hand from my son in law, so he must have had the numbers wrong somewhere.
In Washington state, our property tax rate is only 1.12%. Plus, I bought a fixer upper a few years ago for only $120k so my taxes are only around $100 a month. Sometimes I appreciate being poor...
On a home valued at $5 million, that's $95,500 a year in taxes, or, $7900 a month. Which is correct because my parent's house in Moscow is valued at around $550k and my dad was telling me he pays around $900 a month.
But, I did a realty search and the most comparable home and property I could find was "only" $2.7 million, which would be $4300 a month in taxes. All I know is that I heard it second hand from my son in law, so he must have had the numbers wrong somewhere.
In Washington state, our property tax rate is only 1.12%. Plus, I bought a fixer upper a few years ago for only $120k so my taxes are only around $100 a month. Sometimes I appreciate being poor...
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Sometimes I think we need another Boston style tea party!
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I've lived in Hawaii, Iowa, California, Washington, Arizona, and Idaho. I've been a property owner in Iowa, Idaho, Arizona, and Washington.
There is no perfect place.
Iowa had/has dirt cheap housing and you can find decent paying jobs. Quality of life in the Midwest in relation to being able to afford a nice house and toys on an average income is awesome. However, I could not stand the smell. The water is generally all brown and smelly. There is no wilderness. The heat and humidity in the summer is awful and the winters are brutal. Excellent pheasant hunting and deer hunting is available if you know someone or can pay landowners.
Arizona is close to perfect. I lived at about 5500' and commuted to work in Phoenix. I had a 3000 sq ft home in a decent neighborhood for $200k. I made good money in Phoenix and could find work pretty easily. The outdoors are awesome! Endless opportunities for hunting, fishing, hiking, prospecting, and exploring. Everything from extreme deserts to high alpine lakes all within a couple of hours drive.
But, the state is slowly being taken over by Californians and East Coast liberals trying to take away freedoms. Crime is getting pretty bad all over. I experienced road rage every single day. Cops are apathetic and have never heard of community policing or the broken window syndrome.
I carried a pistol everywhere.
Washington state is beautiful and has no income tax and lower property tax. But, the Seattle area rules the rest of the state and they are absolutely crazy. In my area on the Idaho border, there are very, very few decent jobs and housing costs are high. Average income is around $35k and average house price is around $250k.
If you have a specific skill set that pays well, then you can probably find a good paying job. HVAC, electricians, and plumbers are in high demand.
I used to carpool with a woman whose husband was a pothead, former biker, felon, and all around piece of human debris. He makes around $30 an hour as an HVAC tech. I'm a corporate security analyst with a decade of experience, college, clean as a whistle, excellent work ethic, and work for the largest company in the region. I make under $20 an hour...
In this area, jobs that require college degrees are underpaid because there are two major universities in the area that are pumping out millenials that only want to have an awesome apartment, smoke pot, and play video games. They will settle for whatever jobs they can get.
There are probably more people with master degrees making under $20 and hour than anywhere else in the country.
The thing with Idaho is that you can find small towns in beautiful areas with awesome hunting, fishing, and trails to ride forever with decent houses for under $200k. However, your job opportunities are limited to logging industry jobs or bartender.
People from the Midwest come out here and fall in love with the mountains and weather, then start looking at property and get sticker shock. You want 100 acres with no neighbors close to a town for supplies and work? Fine, you can have it for a million dollars. You can thank an endless supply of idiot Californians who got burned out from living in the mess they created, sold their modest 3-bedroom house for $1.5 million, paid asking price for an acreage in Idaho, then realized that freedom comes at a cost in the form of having to be tough enough to survive a harsh winter, put up with no shopping, free-range livestock in the road, rednecks, no cell service, and people that really, really don't like you.
Then they sell to some other eager Californian and the cycle continues.
If I was from the Midwest and wanted to find some land and forested areas to live in with mild winters and reasonable amounts of trails to explore, I would look at Arkansas.
My ex mother and father -in-law lived in Iowa their entire lives, then moved to Arizona to be with their grandkids. They lasted about 2 years and moved to Arkansas in the Lake of the Ozarks area. They love it. Got a really nice place in a touristy area in the woods for under $200k.
There is no perfect place.
Iowa had/has dirt cheap housing and you can find decent paying jobs. Quality of life in the Midwest in relation to being able to afford a nice house and toys on an average income is awesome. However, I could not stand the smell. The water is generally all brown and smelly. There is no wilderness. The heat and humidity in the summer is awful and the winters are brutal. Excellent pheasant hunting and deer hunting is available if you know someone or can pay landowners.
Arizona is close to perfect. I lived at about 5500' and commuted to work in Phoenix. I had a 3000 sq ft home in a decent neighborhood for $200k. I made good money in Phoenix and could find work pretty easily. The outdoors are awesome! Endless opportunities for hunting, fishing, hiking, prospecting, and exploring. Everything from extreme deserts to high alpine lakes all within a couple of hours drive.
But, the state is slowly being taken over by Californians and East Coast liberals trying to take away freedoms. Crime is getting pretty bad all over. I experienced road rage every single day. Cops are apathetic and have never heard of community policing or the broken window syndrome.
I carried a pistol everywhere.
Washington state is beautiful and has no income tax and lower property tax. But, the Seattle area rules the rest of the state and they are absolutely crazy. In my area on the Idaho border, there are very, very few decent jobs and housing costs are high. Average income is around $35k and average house price is around $250k.
If you have a specific skill set that pays well, then you can probably find a good paying job. HVAC, electricians, and plumbers are in high demand.
I used to carpool with a woman whose husband was a pothead, former biker, felon, and all around piece of human debris. He makes around $30 an hour as an HVAC tech. I'm a corporate security analyst with a decade of experience, college, clean as a whistle, excellent work ethic, and work for the largest company in the region. I make under $20 an hour...
In this area, jobs that require college degrees are underpaid because there are two major universities in the area that are pumping out millenials that only want to have an awesome apartment, smoke pot, and play video games. They will settle for whatever jobs they can get.
There are probably more people with master degrees making under $20 and hour than anywhere else in the country.
The thing with Idaho is that you can find small towns in beautiful areas with awesome hunting, fishing, and trails to ride forever with decent houses for under $200k. However, your job opportunities are limited to logging industry jobs or bartender.
People from the Midwest come out here and fall in love with the mountains and weather, then start looking at property and get sticker shock. You want 100 acres with no neighbors close to a town for supplies and work? Fine, you can have it for a million dollars. You can thank an endless supply of idiot Californians who got burned out from living in the mess they created, sold their modest 3-bedroom house for $1.5 million, paid asking price for an acreage in Idaho, then realized that freedom comes at a cost in the form of having to be tough enough to survive a harsh winter, put up with no shopping, free-range livestock in the road, rednecks, no cell service, and people that really, really don't like you.
Then they sell to some other eager Californian and the cycle continues.
If I was from the Midwest and wanted to find some land and forested areas to live in with mild winters and reasonable amounts of trails to explore, I would look at Arkansas.
My ex mother and father -in-law lived in Iowa their entire lives, then moved to Arizona to be with their grandkids. They lasted about 2 years and moved to Arkansas in the Lake of the Ozarks area. They love it. Got a really nice place in a touristy area in the woods for under $200k.
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Oh, and another rant on living in this area in regards to relationships...
Women.
I was 44 years old and married with two kids in Arizona. I was stressed out, overweight, but still a good husband and father. My wife started reconnecting with a former boyfriend on Facebook. She cheated on me and left me; moved to Missouri and got married two days after our divorce.
When she first told me she wanted a divorce six months prior, I went online and joined a dating site to see if there were women in my age range that would be interested. I was overweight, but not bad looking and really am a nice guy (my ex told me that I was a good husband and father but she just wasn't in love anymore... Go figure...).
So one evening I joined Match.com, or OKCupid, or one of those sites. I posted a picture, wrote a short biography, and started searching. I was super specific about the kind of woman I was interested in. 30 to 45 years old, in shape, Christian, conservative, older kids or no kids, non-smoker, loved the outdoors.
I did a 10-mile radius search of my zip code. I got over 200 results. I browsed through the photos and was stunned at how many beautiful and seemingly decent women there were in my area. I went to bed and the next morning logged in. I had a dozen attempted contacts from truly attractive and sweet women.
Encouraged, I deleted my account and focusing on the divorce and re-building my life.
Six months later, I was relocated to my hometown in Idaho. Another six months and I had bought a house, got a decent job, and lost 50lbs.
I decided that I was ready to date again and logged into my old profile. I changed the zip code to the 83843 one and searched.
Zero results. Seriously?
Widened search to 25 miles. Zero results. Removed some parameters such as no kids, slim or athletic. Twelve results. All but one was shocking to look at. Her profile said she specifically wanted a man that went to work in a suit, was athletically built, loved to travel, and had no baggage. Clearly I was not her man...
After searching a dozen or more sites for women within 75 miles, and going on two dates, I have a a hypothesis as to why this area is such a wasteland for older conservative singles...
Men are much better up here. In Arizona, I saw so many examples of guys hitting their 40's, then get a tattoo, start Crossfit, buy a lifted diesel pickup, cheat on their wives, and acquire a substance abuse problem.
There were so many women down there that just wanted a normal, nice, decent guy that respected them and was honorable. Since the California influence was strong in that area, there were very few decent guys. Lots and lots of men divorcing their wives so they could pursue freedom and younger women. I'm not saying that doesn't happen everywhere, but it was amazingly common down there.
Up here, people tend to have more honor and decency and keep their marriages intact.
In general, women who are divorced and over 35 up here have some significant baggage. And if they don't have baggage and are reasonably fit and attractive and normal, then they can get any man they want.
Hence why I've only had a couple of girlfriends in the past 4 years and broke up with both of them. I'm not scared of commitment and would love to get married again, but I am scared of getting stabbed in my sleep...
So, if you are a single guy over 35, then moving here is NOT advised if you wish to date.
Women.
I was 44 years old and married with two kids in Arizona. I was stressed out, overweight, but still a good husband and father. My wife started reconnecting with a former boyfriend on Facebook. She cheated on me and left me; moved to Missouri and got married two days after our divorce.
When she first told me she wanted a divorce six months prior, I went online and joined a dating site to see if there were women in my age range that would be interested. I was overweight, but not bad looking and really am a nice guy (my ex told me that I was a good husband and father but she just wasn't in love anymore... Go figure...).
So one evening I joined Match.com, or OKCupid, or one of those sites. I posted a picture, wrote a short biography, and started searching. I was super specific about the kind of woman I was interested in. 30 to 45 years old, in shape, Christian, conservative, older kids or no kids, non-smoker, loved the outdoors.
I did a 10-mile radius search of my zip code. I got over 200 results. I browsed through the photos and was stunned at how many beautiful and seemingly decent women there were in my area. I went to bed and the next morning logged in. I had a dozen attempted contacts from truly attractive and sweet women.
Encouraged, I deleted my account and focusing on the divorce and re-building my life.
Six months later, I was relocated to my hometown in Idaho. Another six months and I had bought a house, got a decent job, and lost 50lbs.
I decided that I was ready to date again and logged into my old profile. I changed the zip code to the 83843 one and searched.
Zero results. Seriously?
Widened search to 25 miles. Zero results. Removed some parameters such as no kids, slim or athletic. Twelve results. All but one was shocking to look at. Her profile said she specifically wanted a man that went to work in a suit, was athletically built, loved to travel, and had no baggage. Clearly I was not her man...
After searching a dozen or more sites for women within 75 miles, and going on two dates, I have a a hypothesis as to why this area is such a wasteland for older conservative singles...
Men are much better up here. In Arizona, I saw so many examples of guys hitting their 40's, then get a tattoo, start Crossfit, buy a lifted diesel pickup, cheat on their wives, and acquire a substance abuse problem.
There were so many women down there that just wanted a normal, nice, decent guy that respected them and was honorable. Since the California influence was strong in that area, there were very few decent guys. Lots and lots of men divorcing their wives so they could pursue freedom and younger women. I'm not saying that doesn't happen everywhere, but it was amazingly common down there.
Up here, people tend to have more honor and decency and keep their marriages intact.
In general, women who are divorced and over 35 up here have some significant baggage. And if they don't have baggage and are reasonably fit and attractive and normal, then they can get any man they want.
Hence why I've only had a couple of girlfriends in the past 4 years and broke up with both of them. I'm not scared of commitment and would love to get married again, but I am scared of getting stabbed in my sleep...
So, if you are a single guy over 35, then moving here is NOT advised if you wish to date.
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In all honesty, Many of the reasons I want to move there are
The mostly unspoiled wilderness, the east is paved and tame. There are few areas worth exploring and very few you can do in a SXS.
Conservative and Christian state. I am here near the liberal Mecca and sanctuary city of Asheville. It absolutely disgusts me and every time I go into town I leave angry and frustrated at all the oblivious morons in their ANTIFA shirts with pink and blue hair. I am very aware what seems to be a continual decline of the American moral and value system. Also My family land where I'm the caretaker is owned by my dad and step mom. As much as I love my dad, He has the biggest blinders on and refuses to listen to facts or reality when it comes to politics, big Pharma and so on. Nothing I can say or do will change their minds that Hillary is the best choice for president. There are many things I'd like to do here on the land and I'm faced with a constant barrage of no's and you can't do that...blah blah blah. I have made more friends in Idaho over the past few years whom I actively connect with and they far surpass the quality of the people I have experienced in this area over the past 20 years. I miss big game like Bear, elk and moose. We have turkey and deer...Sure it's drier there and it has a higher potential for fires but it's where my heart is. Besides I'm an idea guy with tons of off grid living projects I want to see come to fruition including fire suspression. I cannot seem to get enough of the place. I think about being there every day.
The gun laws there are awesome. Shall issue state. Carry conceal without a permit even in your car for state residents. I don't have kids but the home school laws, midwifery, and a survival instinct seems to permeate the populace. Most folks I've met are into self sustainment and self reliance.
I'd also like to flee from the densely populated areas. There seems to be a continual move towards socialism and an Orwellian overture tearing down the fabric and fibers of America. I want to be away from all of the population centers and areas of strife, that seem to be heading our way. If and or when we see some type of societal collapse, I want to be safe in my remote mountain hideaway. Sure I'd love to meet the right woman but I was seriously ill for a while and I'm used to being alone for the most part. Nor are there any women here I find enchanting...
The mostly unspoiled wilderness, the east is paved and tame. There are few areas worth exploring and very few you can do in a SXS.
Conservative and Christian state. I am here near the liberal Mecca and sanctuary city of Asheville. It absolutely disgusts me and every time I go into town I leave angry and frustrated at all the oblivious morons in their ANTIFA shirts with pink and blue hair. I am very aware what seems to be a continual decline of the American moral and value system. Also My family land where I'm the caretaker is owned by my dad and step mom. As much as I love my dad, He has the biggest blinders on and refuses to listen to facts or reality when it comes to politics, big Pharma and so on. Nothing I can say or do will change their minds that Hillary is the best choice for president. There are many things I'd like to do here on the land and I'm faced with a constant barrage of no's and you can't do that...blah blah blah. I have made more friends in Idaho over the past few years whom I actively connect with and they far surpass the quality of the people I have experienced in this area over the past 20 years. I miss big game like Bear, elk and moose. We have turkey and deer...Sure it's drier there and it has a higher potential for fires but it's where my heart is. Besides I'm an idea guy with tons of off grid living projects I want to see come to fruition including fire suspression. I cannot seem to get enough of the place. I think about being there every day.
The gun laws there are awesome. Shall issue state. Carry conceal without a permit even in your car for state residents. I don't have kids but the home school laws, midwifery, and a survival instinct seems to permeate the populace. Most folks I've met are into self sustainment and self reliance.
I'd also like to flee from the densely populated areas. There seems to be a continual move towards socialism and an Orwellian overture tearing down the fabric and fibers of America. I want to be away from all of the population centers and areas of strife, that seem to be heading our way. If and or when we see some type of societal collapse, I want to be safe in my remote mountain hideaway. Sure I'd love to meet the right woman but I was seriously ill for a while and I'm used to being alone for the most part. Nor are there any women here I find enchanting...
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All of the above crap will follow you, may not catch up with you due to longevity. The United States is turning into a quagmire of political crap, fueled by the media.
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My hometown is Moscow, ID. Born and raised there. Home of the University of Idaho and the most liberal town in Idaho. I now live 15 miles away in Palouse. Pullman, WA is also 15 miles away, home to Washington State University, and the only area that votes Democratic on the Eastern side of Washington.
When I moved here five years ago, there were two gun shops in the Pullman area and the Ace hardware had a gun counter. Moscow had three places that sold firearms.
Today, Pullman has zero gun stores but five pot shops (marijuana is now legal in Washington). There is only one FFL in the entire county; a county deputy that sells guns out of his basement. Soon, I'll be driving 60 miles to Spokane to buy a gun.
Moscow now only has two places to buy guns; both sporting goods stores and not traditional gun shops. My dad owned THE place to buy guns and fishing supplies for nearly 40 years; The Husky Sport Shop.
He owned three of them at one time in the 80's. Sold off his last one in 2004 or so. Now an Autozone sits there...
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I thought Moscow was home of the Aryan Nation skin head White Nationalists, I would never have thought of that area as liberal, or was that Hayden. Anyway, what’s the fire danger in that region like, have you had rain??
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