TALON 1000R

[ENZO]

Whats up fellas? I'm new to the Honda Talon not new to the SXS world. I just traded in a custom Polaris RZR last week and picked a 1000R.
I've been reading on this forum for a week now and their is a ton of knowledge and support here.
Looking to change tires and wheels for a square set up. Tires preferably 30x10x15 all the way around. Can anyone tell me what stock off set is on the rims?
I was thinking a 6+1 or a 5 +1 would keep it like a stock set up but not sure.
Sorry if this has been asked.

 

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[Isaiah]

Whats up fellas? I'm new to the Honda Talon not new to the SXS world. I just traded in a custom Polaris RZR last week and picked a 1000R.
I've been reading on this forum for a week now and their is a ton of knowledge and support here.
Looking to change tires and wheels for a square set up. Tires preferably 30x10x15 all the way around. Can anyone tell me what stock off set is on the rims?
I was thinking a 6+1 or a 5 +1 would keep it like a stock set up but not sure.
Sorry if this has been asked.

Welcome to the club from Tennessee
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[Todd627]

Welcome from The Great Lakes State 😎

Pics or it didn’t happen.

#NTC

 

[ENZO]

I’m in love gents!

 

[ENZO]

Welcome to the club from Tennessee
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Welcome from The Great Lakes State 😎

Pics or it didn’t happen.

#NTC

Thanks for the welcome guys!

 

[Isaiah]

I’m in love gents! View attachment 199920View attachment 199921View attachment 199922

Good looking machine

 

[PaulF]

Whats up fellas? I'm new to the Honda Talon not new to the SXS world. I just traded in a custom Polaris RZR last week and picked a 1000R.
I've been reading on this forum for a week now and their is a ton of knowledge and support here.
Looking to change tires and wheels for a square set up. Tires preferably 30x10x15 all the way around. Can anyone tell me what stock off set is on the rims?
I was thinking a 6+1 or a 5 +1 would keep it like a stock set up but not sure.
Sorry if this has been asked.

The stock tires and rims are wider in the rear and the offsets are also different (50 mm front 33 mm rear) so therefore, the hub to hub width is 80 mm narrower in the rear. To use the same wheels/tires all the way around and have the front and rear width the same, you will need to use 40 mm (approx. 1.5") spacers on each side in the rear.

 

[Smitty335]

I run

Welcome to the club from Tennessee
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6 + 1 front, 5 + 2 rear, no spacers and same width as stock, we ride mostly tight wooded trails.

 

[Isaiah]

I run

6 + 1 front, 5 + 2 rear, no spacers and same width as stock, we ride mostly tight wooded trails.

Thanks for answering my question Smitty😂

 

[ENZO]

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The stock tires and rims are wider in the rear and the offsets are also different (50 mm front 33 mm rear) so therefore, the hub to hub width is 80 mm narrower in the rear. To use the same wheels/tires all the way around and have the front and rear width the same, you will need to use 40 mm (approx. 1.5") spacers on each side in the rear.

I run

6 + 1 front, 5 + 2 rear, no spacers and same width as stock, we ride mostly tight wooded trails.

Ok i think i got it. Thanks.

 

[bjniceguy]

welcome and remember the Red ones are fastest LOL

 

[ENZO]

LMAO

 

[Isaiah]

welcome and remember the Red ones are fastest LOL

Is that all Honda's or just talons?😂

 

[PaulF]

I run

6 + 1 front, 5 + 2 rear, no spacers and same width as stock, we ride mostly tight wooded trails.

This combination is not correct for a TALON.

6+1 Front and 4+3 Rear is as close as you can get on a Talon without using spacers but you will be wider on one axle depending on what brand wheel you use because the X+Y offsets are not accurate and each manufacturer does different offsets and calls them the same.

 

[Smitty335]

This combination is not correct for a TALON.

6+1 Front and 4+3 Rear is as close as you can get on a Talon without using spacers but you will be wider on one axle depending on what brand wheel you use because the X+Y offsets are not accurate and each manufacturer does different offsets and calls them the same.

That was for a P1, you can do the same for any model, that have different factory wheel offset from front to rear, Race Line Wheels is a good place to start your research. You can also measure your factory offsets. And order the same off sets with all four rims the same width?

 

[PaulF]

That was for a P1, you can do the same for any model, that have different factory wheel offset from front to rear, Race Line Wheels is a good place to start your research. You can also measure your factory offsets. And order the same off sets with all four rims the same width?

I tried to tell you politely that you were not correct but you couldn't leave it well enough alone so here you go again talking nonsense out of your ass. You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about. I told you to go back to the Pioneer forums and f***ing stay there last week for this very reason. You are injecting Pioneer garbage here in the Talon forums and confusing the OP and he will end up with the wrong wheels if he listens to you.

You cannot simply measure the offsets on the Talon and use the same because the stock wheels and tires are different widths. The factory offsets are 50 mm front and 33 mm rear and if you use those offsets with the same rim widths on a Talon you will end up 2 inches narrower in the rear.

So, once again, go back to the Pioneer forums and quit confusing these poor new Talon owners. Your advise here is not accurate or welcome.

@ENZO, do not listen to Smitty335. His advise will cause you nothing but headaches. There is plenty of correct information about wheels/tires for the Talon here on the forums . I wanted my width to be exactly even without spacers so I created a spreadsheet and found out it is impossible with the current wheels on the market. You can only acheave even width on a Talon with the same offset wheels and 1.5" spacers. Here is how it breaks down on the Talon...

First off, don't rely on the X+Y type offset, they are not accurate and different between manufacturers.

I have done a bunch of research and measuring and came up with the following.

1. Talon tires are not 9" and 11" wide, they are 8.7" and 10.6" so your overall width may end up a bit wider than expected if using a true 10" wide tire by about 1/2 inch or more.
2. All measurements below are for the R model and assume a true 10" wide tire. However, the offsets and width differences apply to the X model.

All stated X+Y offsets are not what they appear to be so you should really go by the metric offset. For instance...
STI's 6+1 is 50mm offset which is really 5.5+1.5
STI's 5+2 is 30mm offset which is really 4.75+2.25
STI's 4+3 is 0mm offset which is really 3.5+3.5
System 3's 5.5+1.5 (sometimes marketed as 6+1) is a 45mm offset and is actually 5.25+1.75
System 3's 4+3 is 15mm offset and is a true 4+3

Front track width is the most important to try to remain as close to stock as you can for handling/steering purposes. You want the tire scrubbing similar to stock or as close as you can get it. That is why STI came out with the 50mm (6+1). If you run a STI's 6+1 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, you will achieve the factory track width but will be 1.3" wider overall in the front. This is the best offset to maintain stock front end geometry.

The System 3's 5.5+1.5 offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be .4" wider and 1.7" wider overall in the front. If you run a STI's 5+2 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be 1.6" wider and 2.9" wider overall in the front. The rear hub to hub width is 3.1" narrower than the front. Your best bet is to run the same rims front and rear and get 1.5" spacers in the rear. That way, your overall width will be the same font and rear and you can rotate your tires as an added bonus.

If you don't like spacers or don't need to rotate your tires, these combinations are currently available that make the front and rear similar in overall width without using spacers...

• STI 50mm (6+1) on the front and STI 0mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 69.7 and 70.6 respectively (.9" wider in the rear).
• System 3 45mm (5.5+1.5) on the front and System 3 15mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 70.1 and 69.4 respectively (.7" wider in front)
• STI 30mm (5+2) on the front and STI 0mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 71.3 and 70.6 respectively (.7" wider in front)

 

[Smitty335]

I tried to tell you politely that you were not correct but you couldn't leave it well enough alone so here you go again talking nonsense out of your ass. You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about. I told you to go back to the Pioneer forums and f***ing stay there last week for this very reason. You are injecting Pioneer garbage here in the Talon forums and confusing the OP and he will end up with the wrong wheels if he listens to you.

You cannot simply measure the offsets on the Talon and use the same because the stock wheels and tires are different widths. The factory offsets are 50 mm front and 33 mm rear and if you use those offsets with the same rim widths on a Talon you will end up 2 inches narrower in the rear.

So, once again, go back to the Pioneer forums and quit confusing these poor new Talon owners. Your advise here is not accurate or welcome.

@ENZO, do not listen to Smitty335. His advise will cause you nothing but headaches. There is plenty of correct information about wheels/tires for the Talon here on the forums . I wanted my width to be exactly even without spacers so I created a spreadsheet and found out it is impossible with the current wheels on the market. You can only acheave even width on a Talon with the same offset wheels and 1.5" spacers. Here is how it breaks down on the Talon...

First off, don't rely on the X+Y type offset, they are not accurate and different between manufacturers.

I have done a bunch of research and measuring and came up with the following.

1. Talon tires are not 9" and 11" wide, they are 8.7" and 10.6" so your overall width may end up a bit wider than expected if using a true 10" wide tire by about 1/2 inch or more.
2. All measurements below are for the R model and assume a true 10" wide tire. However, the offsets and width differences apply to the X model.

All stated X+Y offsets are not what they appear to be so you should really go by the metric offset. For instance...
STI's 6+1 is 50mm offset which is really 5.5+1.5
STI's 5+2 is 30mm offset which is really 4.75+2.25
STI's 4+3 is 0mm offset which is really 3.5+3.5
System 3's 5.5+1.5 (sometimes marketed as 6+1) is a 45mm offset and is actually 5.25+1.75
System 3's 4+3 is 15mm offset and is a true 4+3

Front track width is the most important to try to remain as close to stock as you can for handling/steering purposes. You want the tire scrubbing similar to stock or as close as you can get it. That is why STI came out with the 50mm (6+1). If you run a STI's 6+1 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, you will achieve the factory track width but will be 1.3" wider overall in the front. This is the best offset to maintain stock front end geometry.

The System 3's 5.5+1.5 offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be .4" wider and 1.7" wider overall in the front. If you run a STI's 5+2 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be 1.6" wider and 2.9" wider overall in the front. The rear hub to hub width is 3.1" narrower than the front. Your best bet is to run the same rims front and rear and get 1.5" spacers in the rear. That way, your overall width will be the same font and rear and you can rotate your tires as an added bonus.

If you don't like spacers or don't need to rotate your tires, these combinations are currently available that make the front and rear similar in overall width without using spacers...

• STI 50mm (6+1) on the front and STI 0mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 69.7 and 70.6 respectively (.9" wider in the rear).
• System 3 45mm (5.5+1.5) on the front and System 3 15mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 70.1 and 69.4 respectively (.7" wider in front)
• STI 30mm (5+2) on the front and STI 0mm (4+3) on the rear. This makes the overall width 71.3 and 70.6 respectively (.7" wider in front)

Call Race Line Wheels, they know exactly how to do it. I Politely respond. Was at the Honda shop today, they had some killer Race Line Wheels for a Talon w/ BF's mounted on them, but they are behind the learning curve of wheel offsets. RZR's come from the factory with different wheel off sets front to rear as well as most?

 

[ENZO]

I tried to tell you politely that you were not correct but you couldn't leave it well enough alone so here you go again talking nonsense out of your ass. You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about. I told you to go back to the Pioneer forums and f***ing stay there last week for this very reason. You are injecting Pioneer garbage here in the Talon forums and confusing the OP and he will end up with the wrong wheels if he listens to you.

You cannot simply measure the offsets on the Talon and use the same because the stock wheels and tires are different widths. The factory offsets are 50 mm front and 33 mm rear and if you use those offsets with the same rim widths on a Talon you will end up 2 inches narrower in the rear.

So, once again, go back to the Pioneer forums and quit confusing these poor new Talon owners. Your advise here is not accurate or welcome.

@ENZO, do not listen to Smitty335. His advise will cause you nothing but headaches. There is plenty of correct information about wheels/tires for the Talon here on the forums . I wanted my width to be exactly even without spacers so I created a spreadsheet and found out it is impossible with the current wheels on the market. You can only acheave even width on a Talon with the same offset wheels and 1.5" spacers. Here is how it breaks down on the Talon...

First off, don't rely on the X+Y type offset, they are not accurate and different between manufacturers.

I have done a bunch of research and measuring and came up with the following.

1. Talon tires are not 9" and 11" wide, they are 8.7" and 10.6" so your overall width may end up a bit wider than expected if using a true 10" wide tire by about 1/2 inch or more.
2. All measurements below are for the R model and assume a true 10" wide tire. However, the offsets and width differences apply to the X model.

All stated X+Y offsets are not what they appear to be so you should really go by the metric offset. For instance...
STI's 6+1 is 50mm offset which is really 5.5+1.5
STI's 5+2 is 30mm offset which is really 4.75+2.25
STI's 4+3 is 0mm offset which is really 3.5+3.5
System 3's 5.5+1.5 (sometimes marketed as 6+1) is a 45mm offset and is actually 5.25+1.75
System 3's 4+3 is 15mm offset and is a true 4+3

Front track width is the most important to try to remain as close to stock as you can for handling/steering purposes. You want the tire scrubbing similar to stock or as close as you can get it. That is why STI came out with the 50mm (6+1). If you run a STI's 6+1 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, you will achieve the factory track width but will be 1.3" wider overall in the front. This is the best offset to maintain stock front end geometry.

The System 3's 5.5+1.5 offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be .4" wider and 1.7" wider overall in the front. If you run a STI's 5+2 Offset with a 10" wide tire up front, your track width will be 1.6" wider and 2.9" wider overall in the front. The rear hub to hub width is 3.1" narrower than the front. Your best bet is to run the same rims front and rear and get 1.5" spacers in the rear. That way, your overall width will be the same font and rear and you can rotate your tires as an added bonus.

If you don't like spacers or don't need to rotate your tires, these combinations are currently available that make the front and rear similar in overall width without using spacers..


Thanks! I appreciate the info..... this is exactly what I was looking for.

 

[PaulF]

Thanks! I appreciate the info..... this is exactly what I was looking for.

One more thing that I forgot to mention. Avoid 14" wheels unless you take extra precautions, especially on the R model. They can rub on the upper control arm and tear up your rims. See this thread...

14” wheels dont always clear! Careful!!

With 14” wheels The upper A arm will rub the wheel when the suspension is compressed. I only realized after I took the front wheels off. They rub on both fronts and cut a groove in the wheel. I got new wheels and ground down the end of the arm. Easy fix. I ride primarily on the Oregon dunes. So...

hondasxs.com

 

[ENZO]

One more thing that I forgot to mention. Avoid 14" wheels unless you take extra precautions, especially on the R model. They can rub on the upper control arm and tear up your rims. See this thread...

14” wheels dont always clear! Careful!!

With 14” wheels The upper A arm will rub the wheel when the suspension is compressed. I only realized after I took the front wheels off. They rub on both fronts and cut a groove in the wheel. I got new wheels and ground down the end of the arm. Easy fix. I ride primarily on the Oregon dunes. So...

hondasxs.com

I seen a YouTube video that shared that info. I like the way the 15” rims look.