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Talon Talon knuckles

Discussion in 'Talon 1000 Shop Talk' started by Sheetmetalfab, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. Sheetmetalfab

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    Assuming there is no other damage from hitting something I would think it would be covered.

    Also assuming it's 2 different machines and not the same owner.

    I would categorize this as a growing pain for the Talon. Honda will get it fixed if it's a issue.

    I would like to hear some more professional input in the case coloring.
    Ex. Is the light color hardened and the darn not.

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    I haven't had any issues to this point, but I did go ahead and order a set of the Weller Racing Double Shear Brackets. For $25 bucks I figure it's worth it if it'll potentially keep a weekend trip intact.

    Still need to put them on, but it should be as simple as can be.

    Talon R Model Rear Upper Hub Double Shear Bracket Kit
     
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    I wonder if these failures on the "R" model are due to the unique design of the upper 4+ link triangular arm putting major pressure on the knuckle in real world use? Honda loves to note how the design keeps the rear toe from changing much with the design, but common sense says to keep this toe change from happening, it has to send that extreme stress somewhere. Maybe the wider track has something to do with this as well?
     
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    I'd say you're probably correct. I have absolutely no idea how many times this has already been a point of failure, but this is something I'd anticipate being revised in future model year improvements.

    To me, it seems like a sliding/side impact on the rear tire would be the perfect recipe for shearing the casting off of the knuckle at the single shear point.
     
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    I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with Honda's "R" unique design. As far as off road vehicles are concerned, a single shear mounting has been a weakness in ALL designs FOREVER. I'm not sure how many shock, trackbar, etc. mounts I've seen break over the 30+ years I've been playing in the mud, but I can tell you that once modified to double shear mount or similar reinforcement, the problem was usually solved. I only say "usually" because there is always the "hold my beer and let's see what it'll take" testing.
     
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    In that case, Honda could have one upped the competition and actually made the mounts all double shear unless they wanted them to fail to sell more parts. I would think with their reliability and reputation, it would have been engineering dollars well spent. Maybe they will do this on the future models. Guess that's why they make the big bucks figuring the costs vs expenses and failure rates.
     
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    I'm no expert on manufacturing processes, but looking at that assembly makes me think that they might not be able to make a casting/die that would make that mounting point a double shear. Maybe the engineers and their computers said "this should be strong enough" and figured the aftermarket would beef it up for the knuckleheads (pun intended) that actually ran it hard enough to break it.
     
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    I am the owner of the broken FRONT knuckle in the original post. I have not seen another broken front knuckle and I have searched everywhere. The jump I took when it broke was minor (about 5 feet at 15 MPH in sand) and nothing else in the suspension was bent or damaged (except the lower control arm jammed against the rotor and bent it). I have seen some pretty crazy jumps online and even the Honda promotional videos show them treating the machine much harder than I did when mine broke without any problems so I am thinking I had a defective knuckle.

    I have a CR incident report in with Honda and all I can say is it is a slow and tedious process. Took them over a month just to respond and they agreed to have the area rep look at it but I have to make an appointment with my dealer so they can look at it first. The rep was out of town and then I was out of town so timing has been a bit of a problem. They require the machine and the defective parts be taken to a dealer. The dealer will take pictures and report back to Honda and then after that is all done the area rep can look at it.

    Needless to say, I have already replaced the knuckle, bent rotor and some miscellaneous plastic parts. A word of warning to all, Honda WILL NOT reimburse you if you replace parts on your own, even if they are defective. They have a strict policy that any warranty replacement MUST be reviewed and done by a dealer. I submitted the CR because the broken knuckle caused the machine to flip and I have additional bent/broken parts that I am trying to get them to replace. I don't think anything will become of it but it is worth a try, the remaining parts that need to be replaced are mostly cosmetic but one of them is really expensive.
     
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    I would think if the part is defective Honda will cover it. I don't blame you for getting it fixed in the fast lane. The R and X use the same part. Its going to be interesting to see if they cover it. Landing hard on one front wheel will have a lot of stress on the part especially if it at an angle. Thanks for sharing the info.
     
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