First off let me say I know and understand ratios and all that good B.S. Second let me say I don't give a f***! Some people want to mud, some people want to race, and some people just want to have a good time on the backroads! I would be the latter. So here's my Talon with 34"s on 20"s! No lift just high clearance rear radius arms and forward A Arms. Fun to drive and personally I love it so SUCK IT!!!!