Plumber101010
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After talking with the powers that be at this forum, we felt it was best if I started a separate thread on the cons of the 1000. Listing in a very concise manner any complaints.
Everyone is encouraged to post absolutely anything that you would like to see changed, added or modified.
This is the ONLY method that is going to get Honda to change things. Honda views these threads.
I am not going to list any of the pros. There is no need to. There's a wealth of information available on the web as to the positives of this machine. Everybody but everybody knows about it's unique, wonderful transmission, its powerful engine, it's five seats, there was just no reason to bring that up here. Heck, its the reason I bought it myself!
What can NOT be found anywhere is a simple, ongoing list of complaints or issues from the owners on the any of the 1000 models. There are tons of isolated issues and compliants. But not in one, centralized area. I wish I had come across such a post before I purchased.
Let me also clearly state that I am extremely pleased with my purchase and there are still many good reasons to purchase the 1000. This is NOT a list of why you shouldn't purchase the 1000. All things considered, you should. It is an absolute wonderful machine and with the exception of the dump bed, I couldn't be happier.
Dear Honda,
I recently, after much research, spent $23,000 with your company. I did so with the satisfaction and peace of mind of knowing that if it has the Honda name behind it, it is sure to be a superb product!
The name Honda has been synonymous with excellence for many decades.
Nobody faults you for making an error, these are very complicated and
highly engineered machines. We all make mistakes and feedback from your consumers should be at the top of your priority list when you have introduced a brand-new vehicle to the market in its first year of production.
Nobody will ever fault you for making a mistake, but everybody will fault you for failing to rectify it.
Please don't be like every other company, turning a blind eye to an issue that clearly is a legitimate flaw and engineering failure.
Honda, I don't think you can disagree that spending that kind of money for a UTV would be called exorbitant. But I was willing to do so because I knew it had the Honda name behind it. It wasnt the UTV that sold me, as much as it was a HONDA UTV.
Cons
1) The dump bed:
The dump bed that is so heavily advertised and touted in all of your social media, does not dump. In fact, it simply does not work. I'm sure you can see the absurdity in that without me having to languish on, but I will anyway.
This is a Honda, and that should mean something to you all at Honda. It did to me and at a minimum, I would hope it does to you also.
Do you manufacture motorbikes without the headlights working? No.
Do you manufacture cars without the air-conditioner working? No
Do you manufacture UTV's without the dump trailer dumping? Yes.
Just because someone only drives in the day and has no use for the headlights doesn't mean you can ignore it.
Just because someone lives in Alaska and doesn't use the air conditioner doesn't mean you can ignore it.
And just because people use this as a cargo bed and don't dump much, doesn't mean you can ignore it.
I would like to think you're paying attention to this issue. But knowing you had the same complaints with the dump bed not dumping on the 700 model, i don't see how I can.
This is not a complaint about the seats not being comfortable. This is not a complaint about I don't like the way it handles. This is a complaint about one of the most basic functions of your product, a dump bed. And the dump does not dump?
May I repeat that again? The dump bed on your $20,000 vehicle? Ya know what?
IT......DOES.... NOT.....DUMP. Do you folks at Honda consider this a pretty major issue? Because I know I do.
Monitoring these threads in the background without taking the time to make comments concerning issues of your own product is not really cool.
Without chasing you away and making you an enemy Honda, I need you to fully realize that there are legal implications and ramifications involved here. If you have videos and pictures and websites showing a dump trailer dumping when in reality it does not dump, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KNEW AHEAD OF TIME, that is an open and shut case of false advertising.
But putting the legal issues on the side for the moment, how about let's just have some dignity and character and let's maintain the vision that Honda is synonymous with excellence, by stepping up and coming up with a solution to this problem and then going back and rectifying it for the tons of people that trusted in your product and bought it simply because it had the Honda name.
Show us Americans that the Japanese culture of pride is real and not a Hollywood fallacy!
Show us you're more interested in the consumer, than the consumers money. Show us or me that you care. Because I don't look at this as a trivial complaint or a minor issue. Individuals have spent their hard-working dollars on a machine that is universal and should be able to perform in one of its most basic categories, dumping!
Dumping a load of rock, mulch, dirt or sand. Doesn't matter what the product is that's being dumped, it just has to be able to actually dump.
By mere virtue of the fact that this issue was present on your 700 models, I can only assume that you have no intention of changing it for future models, as the 1000 IS THE FUTURE model and you did nothing to change the fact that the bed couldn't dump???
I am sure in some conference room, this has been discussed and the decision has simply been made that the vast majority of purchasers are using this as a cargo bed and don't really care that it doesn't dump. No complaints, no solution.
But I can assure you, that you will only be able to hide and run from the legal issues involved here for so long. It's just a matter of time and a matter of years before enough consumers are duped into purchasing this machine with the understanding that the dump bed can actually dump. And than finding out post purchase it cannot.
Enough said from me, hopefully others will add. I will await a reply and or solution to this problem! And I can assure you, I am not going to gradually and gently fade away into the sunset Honda. I'm going to pursue this issue with much vigor!
2) Storage compartments:
Some of the cheapest UTV's out there have multiple storage options. Once again, it appears to me that most of your engineering went into the performance of the 1000 and that end user comfort and conveniences were not well thought out.
I could understand if there was no room, but this is a very roomy machine and storage could have easily been incorporated into the design. One glove box is simply not enough.
3) An emergency / parking brake:
Geez, how you all missed that is totally beyond my imagination. I welcome the Honda engineers and design team to come out to my property at any time to show you real world usage of the 1000.
I want to show you what it's like to be parked on a 45 degree incline, thousand pounds of weight in the cargo bed (my newly defined name for it since it doesn't dump) and then putting it into gear and taking off while having to endure that loud clunking sound scaring you into thinking the transmission is going to drop out.
The additional amount of sheer torque and load you are putting on your transmission going from park into low when just simply releasing the parking break would have sufficed, is immense.
Now let's talk about the safety issues? What happens if the brakes fail? What happens if the transmission doesn't lock or comes out of gear while parked on an incline with a heavy load ?
Once again, you're inviting legal liability into your life Honda, by failing to provide one. It's just a matter of time before this thing slips out of gear or the brakes fail and someone gets killed.
Absolutely any vehicle made should have an emergency parking brake. End of story.
4) Speaking of clunking:
Honda is known for its quiet and smooth operating vehicles. You figured it out in cars and surely you have figured it out in motorbikes and dirt bikes.
Why this thing has to shift like the Flintstone Mobile with a loud clunk and felt jerk prior to every gear, well thats above my pay grade. But my point for actually listing it, is there are a SLEW of posts with people asking if this is normal, so mention it because there are a lot of confused owners wondering.
5) Bed Mat:
Your bed mat needs to have cut outs in it to allow access to your anchor points inside the bed.
6) LED lighting:
We live in a world where LED lighting has come a long ways in the last few years. In that same world, everybody but everybody is installing LED lighting and bars.
I can only assume that you are selling this product based on the ignorance of the consumer not knowing any better.
Your LED light bar has 3,600 lumens for $370??? That equals about a 75 W lightbulb compared to what could be used.
I bought a 26,000 lumen light bar for $119 on Amazon. That equals six times more power for 1/3 third the price.
Just letting everyone out there know, don't even bother with the Honda's.
7) Door handle:
Move the door handle forward and not BEHIND my body please...
And Honda? You should throw in LED headlights on a $20k UTV. Using weak, whimpy, yellow bulb headlamps and then trying to charge your customer more money to actually have a bright headlight that functions well at night, is tacky.
If this was a $10,000 vehicle i would understand. But this is one of the most, if not THE most, expensive UTV on the market. I expect more
Everyone is encouraged to post absolutely anything that you would like to see changed, added or modified.
This is the ONLY method that is going to get Honda to change things. Honda views these threads.
I am not going to list any of the pros. There is no need to. There's a wealth of information available on the web as to the positives of this machine. Everybody but everybody knows about it's unique, wonderful transmission, its powerful engine, it's five seats, there was just no reason to bring that up here. Heck, its the reason I bought it myself!
What can NOT be found anywhere is a simple, ongoing list of complaints or issues from the owners on the any of the 1000 models. There are tons of isolated issues and compliants. But not in one, centralized area. I wish I had come across such a post before I purchased.
Let me also clearly state that I am extremely pleased with my purchase and there are still many good reasons to purchase the 1000. This is NOT a list of why you shouldn't purchase the 1000. All things considered, you should. It is an absolute wonderful machine and with the exception of the dump bed, I couldn't be happier.
Dear Honda,
I recently, after much research, spent $23,000 with your company. I did so with the satisfaction and peace of mind of knowing that if it has the Honda name behind it, it is sure to be a superb product!
The name Honda has been synonymous with excellence for many decades.
Nobody faults you for making an error, these are very complicated and
highly engineered machines. We all make mistakes and feedback from your consumers should be at the top of your priority list when you have introduced a brand-new vehicle to the market in its first year of production.
Nobody will ever fault you for making a mistake, but everybody will fault you for failing to rectify it.
Please don't be like every other company, turning a blind eye to an issue that clearly is a legitimate flaw and engineering failure.
Honda, I don't think you can disagree that spending that kind of money for a UTV would be called exorbitant. But I was willing to do so because I knew it had the Honda name behind it. It wasnt the UTV that sold me, as much as it was a HONDA UTV.
Cons
1) The dump bed:
The dump bed that is so heavily advertised and touted in all of your social media, does not dump. In fact, it simply does not work. I'm sure you can see the absurdity in that without me having to languish on, but I will anyway.
This is a Honda, and that should mean something to you all at Honda. It did to me and at a minimum, I would hope it does to you also.
Do you manufacture motorbikes without the headlights working? No.
Do you manufacture cars without the air-conditioner working? No
Do you manufacture UTV's without the dump trailer dumping? Yes.
Just because someone only drives in the day and has no use for the headlights doesn't mean you can ignore it.
Just because someone lives in Alaska and doesn't use the air conditioner doesn't mean you can ignore it.
And just because people use this as a cargo bed and don't dump much, doesn't mean you can ignore it.
I would like to think you're paying attention to this issue. But knowing you had the same complaints with the dump bed not dumping on the 700 model, i don't see how I can.
This is not a complaint about the seats not being comfortable. This is not a complaint about I don't like the way it handles. This is a complaint about one of the most basic functions of your product, a dump bed. And the dump does not dump?
May I repeat that again? The dump bed on your $20,000 vehicle? Ya know what?
IT......DOES.... NOT.....DUMP. Do you folks at Honda consider this a pretty major issue? Because I know I do.
Monitoring these threads in the background without taking the time to make comments concerning issues of your own product is not really cool.
Without chasing you away and making you an enemy Honda, I need you to fully realize that there are legal implications and ramifications involved here. If you have videos and pictures and websites showing a dump trailer dumping when in reality it does not dump, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KNEW AHEAD OF TIME, that is an open and shut case of false advertising.
But putting the legal issues on the side for the moment, how about let's just have some dignity and character and let's maintain the vision that Honda is synonymous with excellence, by stepping up and coming up with a solution to this problem and then going back and rectifying it for the tons of people that trusted in your product and bought it simply because it had the Honda name.
Show us Americans that the Japanese culture of pride is real and not a Hollywood fallacy!
Show us you're more interested in the consumer, than the consumers money. Show us or me that you care. Because I don't look at this as a trivial complaint or a minor issue. Individuals have spent their hard-working dollars on a machine that is universal and should be able to perform in one of its most basic categories, dumping!
Dumping a load of rock, mulch, dirt or sand. Doesn't matter what the product is that's being dumped, it just has to be able to actually dump.
By mere virtue of the fact that this issue was present on your 700 models, I can only assume that you have no intention of changing it for future models, as the 1000 IS THE FUTURE model and you did nothing to change the fact that the bed couldn't dump???
I am sure in some conference room, this has been discussed and the decision has simply been made that the vast majority of purchasers are using this as a cargo bed and don't really care that it doesn't dump. No complaints, no solution.
But I can assure you, that you will only be able to hide and run from the legal issues involved here for so long. It's just a matter of time and a matter of years before enough consumers are duped into purchasing this machine with the understanding that the dump bed can actually dump. And than finding out post purchase it cannot.
Enough said from me, hopefully others will add. I will await a reply and or solution to this problem! And I can assure you, I am not going to gradually and gently fade away into the sunset Honda. I'm going to pursue this issue with much vigor!
2) Storage compartments:
Some of the cheapest UTV's out there have multiple storage options. Once again, it appears to me that most of your engineering went into the performance of the 1000 and that end user comfort and conveniences were not well thought out.
I could understand if there was no room, but this is a very roomy machine and storage could have easily been incorporated into the design. One glove box is simply not enough.
3) An emergency / parking brake:
Geez, how you all missed that is totally beyond my imagination. I welcome the Honda engineers and design team to come out to my property at any time to show you real world usage of the 1000.
I want to show you what it's like to be parked on a 45 degree incline, thousand pounds of weight in the cargo bed (my newly defined name for it since it doesn't dump) and then putting it into gear and taking off while having to endure that loud clunking sound scaring you into thinking the transmission is going to drop out.
The additional amount of sheer torque and load you are putting on your transmission going from park into low when just simply releasing the parking break would have sufficed, is immense.
Now let's talk about the safety issues? What happens if the brakes fail? What happens if the transmission doesn't lock or comes out of gear while parked on an incline with a heavy load ?
Once again, you're inviting legal liability into your life Honda, by failing to provide one. It's just a matter of time before this thing slips out of gear or the brakes fail and someone gets killed.
Absolutely any vehicle made should have an emergency parking brake. End of story.
4) Speaking of clunking:
Honda is known for its quiet and smooth operating vehicles. You figured it out in cars and surely you have figured it out in motorbikes and dirt bikes.
Why this thing has to shift like the Flintstone Mobile with a loud clunk and felt jerk prior to every gear, well thats above my pay grade. But my point for actually listing it, is there are a SLEW of posts with people asking if this is normal, so mention it because there are a lot of confused owners wondering.
5) Bed Mat:
Your bed mat needs to have cut outs in it to allow access to your anchor points inside the bed.
6) LED lighting:
We live in a world where LED lighting has come a long ways in the last few years. In that same world, everybody but everybody is installing LED lighting and bars.
I can only assume that you are selling this product based on the ignorance of the consumer not knowing any better.
Your LED light bar has 3,600 lumens for $370??? That equals about a 75 W lightbulb compared to what could be used.
I bought a 26,000 lumen light bar for $119 on Amazon. That equals six times more power for 1/3 third the price.
Just letting everyone out there know, don't even bother with the Honda's.
7) Door handle:
Move the door handle forward and not BEHIND my body please...
And Honda? You should throw in LED headlights on a $20k UTV. Using weak, whimpy, yellow bulb headlamps and then trying to charge your customer more money to actually have a bright headlight that functions well at night, is tacky.
If this was a $10,000 vehicle i would understand. But this is one of the most, if not THE most, expensive UTV on the market. I expect more
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