P500 Fun with numbers - gears and sprocket ratio's

[TeamCheap]

Sitting here on a warm summers day trying to figure out a gearing and sprocket problem, to hot outside to do much else.

vehicle:2017 pioneer 500

Anyway onto the math problem: convert an add-on rear propeller shaft to spin at the rate of the front propeller shaft using chain-&-sprockets.
The closest I get is a 28T to 18T chain/sprocket combo

My 2017 P500 front diff uses 13Tx53T(4.07 ratio) gears and the rear uses 21Tx53T(2.52 ratio) gears so if I wanted to use a P500 front diff in the rear and convert the ratio using chain-&-sprockets what chain sprocket ratio's would I need?

 

[Admin]

 

[TeamCheap]

I think I got it, off by 1 I'd need 29x18...….cool guess that solves that.
EDIT:21x13 would fit even better

 

[Rustell]

Uhh...ok

 

[906UP]

The front & rear diffs have the same ratio, it's a mis-print in the parts list. Both front & rear driveshaft run off the same output shaft.....see "final shaft" in the parts schematic. Our options are to replace the gears on the trans main shaft/final shaft or replace the final drive gears to the P7 ones.....they will fit but that's expensive.

 

[lee]

I seam to recall that @JWB has a p700 front diff assembly under his work bench.
Not sure what his plans for it are but I think the torqumasters diff lock put the original plan on hold.

Just a thought.

 

[DG Rider]

The front & rear diffs have the same ratio, it's a mis-print in the parts list. Both front & rear driveshaft run off the same output shaft.....see "final shaft" in the parts schematic. Our options are to replace the gears on the trans main shaft/final shaft or replace the final drive gears to the P7 ones.....they will fit but that's expensive.

^^^ This

 

[TeamCheap]

I did

The front & rear diffs have the same ratio, it's a mis-print in the parts list. Both front & rear driveshaft run off the same output shaft.....see "final shaft" in the parts schematic. Our options are to replace the gears on the trans main shaft/final shaft or replace the final drive gears to the P7 ones.....they will fit but that's expensive.

I did not know this Hmmm....interesting well anyway the long shot plan is to end up with a P566 as in pioneer 500 6x6 it looks impossible but I still have a glimmer of hope for now, i'll know more after this weekend up there. Right now I'm just toying around with it but once I get E.R.V. back down state for the winter I can start the real work if IF I find a path for a driveshaft to the rear add on tires, it would be so much easier with a diff that has an input and output through shaft.

So the plan.........if I can work it all out is to use a p5 front diff in an add on copy of the P5 rear frame/suspension.
The front add on propeller shaft would possibly be mounted in the P5 and allow the rear add on frame to couple right at the rear of the P5 the whole thing would be removable if wanted.
The add on diff would be a P500 front diff it would need a 6wd engagement cable and possibly a locker teehee.
so it would end up being 2wd, 4wd or 6wd along with a massive 4'x6' cargo bed area.

I know it is a wild idea but if it can be done I think it should be done.

 

[TeamCheap]

Some of you guys probably read my posts then look at my avatar picture and think "his helmet must be on to tight, must be squeezing all the oxygen out of his brain"

My last project was this blaster that I stuffed a 200cc, 4 stroke, electric start, 5 speed manual chinese engine into just because I had the stuff laying around at a cost of about $800, I called it BLASTARD. Rode it for two seasons and it would carry 5 gear with me on it at 275lbs, I figure it topped out at 45-50.

Chinablaster or just blastard

• TeamCheap
• Jul 10, 2018

just a 200cc 4 stroke electric start chinese dualsport engine stuffed into a blaster frame.

 

[Deleted member 3748]

Have you considered building a half track like @solrus ?

P500 - Pioneer 500 quick detach rear tires track system

 

[TeamCheap]

Have you considered building a half track like @solrus ?

P500 - Pioneer 500 quick detach rear tires track system

He did very well on that awesome project but I'll stick to just wheels/tires for now, when I get up to our shack to my P5 thursday I'll spend some time looking at how/where I might be able to snake a propeller shaft through the frame to the back.Finding a way to get power to the add on wheels is key to making it work and I still think there are a couple of options.