Honda Announces 2016 Pioneer 1000

[Psylas]

Glad Honda has stepped it up. Spec sheet looks great. Has everything I could want but I'm sure at a price more than im willing to spend. Grats to the guys picking this up. Looks to be a winner.

 

[Admin]

 

[hondabob]

I sold my Ranger 900 the first year, just too many failures and design problems. Ranger 900 sales will take a hit. The Honda 1000 has it all and then some. Easy to get Happy and the Sport Models will be Awesome. The 6 speeds are necessary for super smooth shifting. I have dibs on the first one my dealer gets with power steering.

 

[bobbyhill]

I have to stop reading and watching all this new release INFO or I am going to end up owning my P700-4 and a P1000-5

 

[scott]

http://powersports.honda.com/2016/pioneer-1000-5/accessories-gallery.aspx The bed on the 1000-3 looks a little bigger than the 1000-5. I'm hoping some of the upgrades might fit the 700. If the 1000 shocks are better i'll get them. The bed leveling system too.

 

[honda69]

If i had to take a guess it going to have the same motor as their motorcycle africa 1000 thats coming out. Prob just have a diff tune.

Check it out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CRF1000

 

[ohanacreek]

If i had to take a guess it going to have the same motor as their motorcycle africa 1000 thats coming out. Prob just have a diff tune.

Check it out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CRF1000

The P1K release video uses the words "... Purpose built..." I used to think the African twin would share a motor as well now I'm not so sure.

 

[catman]

The African twin motor appears to be a double overhead cam engine design, where the new p1k motor is derived from the crf motorcrossers wich is the UNI-CAM DESIGN which a singular cam still operating four valves, a light weight,free reving simple design which has been well proven for high performance!!!

 

[ohanacreek]

The African twin motor appears to be a double overhead cam engine design, where the new p1k motor is derived from the crf motorcrossers wich is the UNI-CAM DESIGN which a singular cam still operating four valves, a light weight,free reving simple design which has been well proven for high performance!!!

Thanks @catman I've been outside all day working around our land haven't had time to do the research.

 

[Bowtech32]

The African twin motor appears to be a double overhead cam engine design, where the new p1k motor is derived from the crf motorcrossers wich is the UNI-CAM DESIGN which a singular cam still operating four valves, a light weight,free reving simple design which has been well proven for high performance!!!

I hope it is fairly quite at lower RPM's, this will be my next hunting rig

 

[jak9922]

it wont be $18000. the two seater will be prob 15000-16500 four seater $1500 more.

wont be 18000 but 16500 + 1500 =hmmmmmm

 

[rogerdodger]

Just left the Honda Dealership where they were showing me videos of the new 1000. Have to say I'm pretty impressed. Guess I'll be trading in my 700

 

[JACKAL]

Just left the Honda Dealership where they were showing me videos of the new 1000. Have to say I'm pretty impressed. Guess I'll be trading in my 700

Ain't that just like them salesman.

 

[JACKAL]

I have to stop reading and watching all this new release INFO or I am going to end up owning my P700-4 and a P1000-5

Sounds like the American way of supporting the economy. LOL

I intend to end up with two Pioneer 500 and one 1000-5 before its said and done

 

[JACKAL]

The P1K release video uses the words "... Purpose built..." I used to think the African twin would share a motor as well now I'm not so sure.

Both motors share a similar design and by swapping out the cylinder, piston, head, throttle body lets Honda use the different cam setup and intake setup for the SxS purpose versus the high HP purpose of the Africa Twin design. There is probably 30-40 HP less on the Pioneer purpose built version of that platform that may be able to be upgraded albeit expensively.

My experience was on a 1986 ATC250R and with some help of Bruce Ogilvie who headed up Honda's Off Road Division back then got me set up with entire top ends and electronics from the CR 250R HPP Honda Power port system - that effin motor would scream. in that 3 wheeler. It looked like this noting the boxes up by exhaust ports:



Anyway to make this work on the ATC bottom end, required servos and electronics that was nothing short of amazing for that era but gave you 4 stroke torque and power all through the RPM range by having a wide exhaust port at lower RPM the narrowing and raising the exhaust port on the cylinder wall as the RPM increased making hellacious top end speed too. I had a rider run my setup (broken both my wrists) and the Nationals and hit 117 MPH on the 1 mile oval dirt track strait away on my ATC250R the only guy that beat him was Factory Team Honda rider that had slightly taller gearing and the same engine setup.


Back to the current century and the Pioneer 1000 - It may be possible that by replacing the Cylinder, Piston, Head, Fuel Injection Throttle body, and electronics along with a better breathing exhaust and intake the Pioneer could get in the 100 HP range and be reliable. It would be an expensive way to do it but very likely possible. As the saying goes speed cost money how fast can you afford to go?

 

[spifyd]

it would be cheaper to just boost it.

 

[JACKAL]

it would be cheaper to just boost it.

Well that depends on how far you are really wanting to go, a good turbo setup (kit) is in the $4K to $5K range and get you to 140HP (assuming you double the 70 HP) W/O killing reliability. However replacing the parts I mentioned above would be in the $2K range get you into the 100 HP range then turbo it as well now you have a powertrain that is at a HP level above the pure sport offerings say in the (160 - 180 HP) with mild boost. But that's a heck of an investment $7Kish in the engine alone just to beat the competitior's offerings by 20-30 HP and we haven't even addressed the suspension to match the power.

 

[spifyd]

well I know for a fact if your doing the turbo your self you could do it for less then 2500. if you want to stay at or below 7 psi.
im just wondering where im going to put it. cant wait to see more pics or one in person.

 

[ohanacreek]

Well that depends on how far you are really wanting to go, a good turbo setup (kit) is in the $4K to $5K range and get you to 140HP (assuming you double the 70 HP) W/O killing reliability. However replacing the parts I mentioned above would be in the $2K range get you into the 100 HP range then turbo it as well now you have a powertrain that is at a HP level above the pure sport offerings say in the (160 - 180 HP) with mild boost. But that's a heck of an investment $7Kish in the engine alone just to beat the competitior's offerings by 20-30 HP and we haven't even addressed the suspension to match the power.

well I know for a fact if your doing the turbo your self you could do it for less then 2500. if you want to stay at or below 7 psi.
im just wondering where im going to put it. cant wait to see more pics or one in person.

After you two figure it out, I'll do it.

 

[JACKAL]

After you two figure it out, I'll do it.

My engine building / racing days are over, although it would be fun I broke too many bones as a young man believing I was indestructible. Nothing will ground your speed demon aspirations faster than having to rely on someone else to wipe your rear end for 3 months because you are in steel pins and casts on both hands from fingertip to elbows. It took me 5 years to fully recover from that.

The performance and reliability built into the SxS coming out is enough to keep me grinning ear to ear. With age comes a cage and a better appreciation for life.

 

[JACKAL]

well I know for a fact if your doing the turbo your self you could do it for less then 2500. if you want to stay at or below 7 psi.
im just wondering where im going to put it. cant wait to see more pics or one in person.

I think engine builders will have plenty of room for turbo & intercooler mods from looking at the photos, will be tight but doable: