Honda Talon engine leaking intake tubes

[MassiveOverkill]

I don't own this, but it was referred to me to look at. It has 9600 miles. I'm not current on Honda's policies, but from my brief research is that they have stood behind this issue but with 9600 miles on the machine, would the still stand behind it. The VIN# is within the range for the recall although these were the clamps securing the boot to the throttle body, not the ones inside the airbox. My only main question is go to the dealer first, who is primarily Polaris or call Honda corporate first?

Video of issue:

After looking at the pictures again, even though that first intake boot is on the throttle body, the clamp isn't square:

 

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[GovtMule]

Welcome. Awesome first post.

 

[GovtMule]

Who referred it to you?

 

[Dankathy]

If I understand you correctly, this machine is four years old 9600 miles and you are wanting to know how to pursue a course of action to get a warranty repair on something completely unrelated to a recall?

 

[MassiveOverkill]

If I understand you correctly, this machine is four years old 9600 miles and you are wanting to know how to pursue a course of action to get a warranty repair on something completely unrelated to a recall?

Who referred it to you?

From my research, there are others who have had this issue and it not being the clamps inside the airbox but the ones attaching the tubes to the throttle body. I'm hoping the recall will cover both. Saying it's completely unrelated is comical.

The owner's wife contacted me and then passed me off to her husband. We live in a small town and I'm involved in the OHV scene here.

 

[GovtMule]

From my research, there are others who have had this issue and it not being the clamps inside the airbox but the ones attaching the tubes to the throttle body. I'm hoping the recall will cover both. Saying it's completely unrelated is comical. Google referred me.

Who does the machine belong to? That’s what I was asking. Seems like an odd first post and just trying to figure out your angle.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Who does the machine belong to? That’s what I was asking. Seems like an odd first post and just trying to figure out your angle.

Sorry, I misread your comment initially as: "Who referred you?" I edited my response.

I get your skepticism though. For full disclosure, I'm a Yamasnob and admin of Wolverine forums as well as own the Yamaha RMAX and X2/X4 FB groups. This post isn't meant to bash the Honda Talon. It's a genuine post. The owner of the Talon was referred to me as no one else had the time (which I don't either as it took me a month to finally meet up with him) so I had him bring it over. Our Wolverines have also had crappy clamp issues so we're not immune.

To add to this: I know Kawasaki has been really good with recalls/issues and owners don't have to go through hoops. I'm just trying to get a feel if Honda is the same way or more like Yamaha where you have to follow protocol.

 

[Smitty335]

Who does the machine belong to? That’s what I was asking. Seems like an odd first post and just trying to figure out your angle.

In the video the bottom clamp looks like it was loosened because there's no dirt under the band then later in the video there is dirt under the band?

 

[MassiveOverkill]

In the video the bottom clamp looks like it was loosened because there's no dirt under the band then later in the video there is dirt under the band?

Here's one of the pictures from the video. There is no dirt under the band.

 

[Backwoods]

Sorry, I misread your comment initially as: "Who referred you?" I edited my response.

I get your skepticism though. For full disclosure, I'm a Yamasnob and admin of Wolverine forums as well as own the Yamaha RMAX and X2/X4 FB groups. This post isn't meant to bash the Honda Talon. It's a genuine post. The owner of the Talon was referred to me as no one else had the time (which I don't either as it took me a month to finally meet up with him) so I had him bring it over. Our Wolverines have also had crappy clamp issues so we're not immune.

To add to this: I know Kawasaki has been really good with recalls/issues and owners don't have to go through hoops. I'm just trying to get a feel if Honda is the same way or more like Yamaha where you have to follow protocol.

I see you on there.

 

[ChadD]

I see you on there.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

I'm starting to get the general vibe that the recall doesn't cover the clamps from the throttle body to the air cleaner, which is unfortunate as I know this isn't an isolated case but it is what it is and there is no exceptions. Someone mentioned checking the motor mounts for being worn/loose so I did and they seem alright to me but I'm open to other opinions:

 

[ChadD]

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[Hondasxs]

This is the recall info.
I'm sorry. But this will be a challenge to get an ear with Honda.

RECALL - Intake Bolt Recall for Honda Talon 1000 (19-21)

So are these inside the airbox? I will be checking mine also. Just checked and mine is listed. They are inside the airbox and are (hopefully) in the clamps holding the horns on.

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[DRZRon1]

I'm starting to get the general vibe that the recall doesn't cover the clamps from the throttle body to the air cleaner, which is unfortunate as I know this isn't an isolated case but it is what it is and there is no exceptions. Someone mentioned checking the motor mounts for being worn/loose so I did and they seem alright to me but I'm open to other opinions:

You able to check compression for giggles ?

Does it smoke, burn oil?


tbh - I must ask if there is more to the story that you are aware of? , if the trhrottle body clamps were loose, boots not on correct - that’s been apart before imo - if that’s where it was sucking dirt in - I’m kinda scratching my head why the velocity stacks are dirty if it was sucking dirt below


Interesting

 

[GovtMule]

Sorry, I misread your comment initially as: "Who referred you?" I edited my response.

I get your skepticism though. For full disclosure, I'm a Yamasnob and admin of Wolverine forums as well as own the Yamaha RMAX and X2/X4 FB groups. This post isn't meant to bash the Honda Talon. It's a genuine post. The owner of the Talon was referred to me as no one else had the time (which I don't either as it took me a month to finally meet up with him) so I had him bring it over. Our Wolverines have also had crappy clamp issues so we're not immune.

To add to this: I know Kawasaki has been really good with recalls/issues and owners don't have to go through hoops. I'm just trying to get a feel if Honda is the same way or more like Yamaha where you have to follow protocol.

That makes more sense. Just wasn’t sure if this was a full on troll thread or not.

 

[futzin]

 

[Hometeam]

I don't own this, but it was referred to me to look at. It has 9600 miles. I'm not current on Honda's policies, but from my brief research is that they have stood behind this issue but with 9600 miles on the machine, would the still stand behind it. The VIN# is within the range for the recall although these were the clamps securing the boot to the throttle body, not the ones inside the airbox. My only main question is go to the dealer first, who is primarily Polaris or call Honda corporate first?

Video of issue:

After looking at the pictures again, even though that first intake boot is on the throttle body, the clamp isn't square:

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Unfortunately I would say you are out of luck for warranty to cover it. My feeling is Honda would say that those clamps and boots should have been checked under general maintenance over the last 4 years. But there have been people who have had this type of issue and caught it early enough that it didn’t toast the whole motor. I believe we had one on here and it was eating oil from dirt ingestion but still ran ok. They fixed the leak and just kept adding oil and it kept going. Yours is pretty noisy and sounds like you got more issues than that. You could pull the bolt off for the chain tensioner and push on the tensioner screw inside adding more tension to the chain to see if it quits up. Otherwise I’d say you are gonna need to tear it down to fix it. Just my .02.

 

[Jerryg]

Unfortunately I would say you are out of luck for warranty to cover it. My feeling is Honda would say that those clamps and boots should have been checked under general maintenance over the last 4 years. But there have been people who have had this type of issue and caught it early enough that it didn’t toast the whole motor. I believe we had one on here and it was eating oil from dirt ingestion but still ran ok. They fixed the leak and just kept adding oil and it kept going. Yours is pretty noisy and sounds like you got more issues than that. You could pull the bolt off for the chain tensioner and push on the tensioner screw inside adding more tension to the chain to see if it quits up. Otherwise I’d say you are gonna need to tear it down to fix it. Just my .02.

I concur, snowballs chance of Honda wanting to get involved.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

You able to check compression for giggles ?

Does it smoke, burn oil?


tbh - I must ask if there is more to the story that you are aware of? , if the trhrottle body clamps were loose, boots not on correct - that’s been apart before imo - if that’s where it was sucking dirt in - I’m kinda scratching my head why the velocity stacks are dirty if it was sucking dirt below


Interesting

It was not smoking when we started it up on the trailer. I only wanted to hear what it was doing and it wouldn't stay running and would stall out and once I heard what it was doing I didn't want to take any further risk so after it stalled the 2nd time, we just rolled it off the trailer. The dealer did the first service many moons ago and he's been doing maintenance ever since but nothing that would require the air filter housing to be removed (such as valve clearance check). The owner seems sincere and although I just met him, have no reason to think he was lying. He's mechanically inclined enough to do basic routine maintenance.

The throttle body clamps were loose but clocked exactly like the one that hadn't come loose. This leads me to believe that they loosened up by themselves and weren't removed purposely although I suspect that when initially installed at the factory, the one that hadn't come loose was installed cockeyed. If it was taken apart, then the dealership did it at first service and I don't know why they would.

My theory is that the good cylinder was sucking dirty air up through the completely dislodged throttle body which explains why the disconnected tube was really dirty but the connected one had just a dusting.

I will say this: The air intake is a really bad design. Having so many screws and flange washers on the back side of the air filter to be ingested if they come loose makes no sense even though that's not the issue here. The clamps seem undersized to me which is why they're working loose in my opinion. The ring seal for the air filter also seems undersized although the surface area of the air filter is great.........it's larger than many car air filters, but that's useless if you're sucking dirty air.

I'm going to try and tighten the timing chain adjuster, reseat the airbox tubes, clean the engine (this bothers me to no end as you could eat off of all my SxS engines as I hate working on anything dirty. Had the throttle body tubes not been loose I would have had him help me push the Talon closer to my spigot and would have washed it right then), have him change the oil with synthetic and hope for the best.