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Talon HONDA TALON - OFFICIAL PICTURES!

Discussion in 'Talon 1000 Photo's and Video's' started by Hondasxs, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. alloutdoors

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    The machine looks very nice and predict there will be a flood of used Pioneers on the market come Spring looking to "upgrade" to a trail machine made by HONDA.
     
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  2. Zmorris83

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    Looks like the best bed on any sport SXS made to date.
     
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    I might be interested if they come out with a version in the 50" class. I saw some ride videos today- the suspension is awesome and the fit and finish look amazing. It just won't work on the restricted trails. 104 hp- nice! The other reason I won't be getting one is the I-4wd. A cheap way out of installing a locking diff, and passing the headaches of using brake pads to try controlling an open diff on to the customer. This stuff barely works in the automotive world- wait till it gets submerged in mud a hundred times... This is not going to work for the mud guys, and if you like ripping it up in the snow- good bye brake pads, and hello overheated rotors, and electric brake pump. I guess it'll open up another market for Torq-Masters! I'm now about 90% sure my next machine is going to be a Wolverine, as much as I hate CVT's, at least Yamaha has the best, and now warrants the belt for 10 years- TEN! And i.m.h.o. (and experience) Yamaha's dependability record is easily on par with Honda's.. What a shame.... Good-bye Honda.
     
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  4. Zmorris83

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    Are you trying to pretend that an automated braking system is less expensive than a mechanically locking diff? Are you unaware that the I-4WD system is an "upgrade" over the existing manually locking front differential currently available on other Honda SXSs? Yamaha reliability is a very distant second to Honda at best. If you want a 50" sport machine your choices are crap, crap or a little less crap. Your Yamaha Fanboy psychosis is far too obvious.
     
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    I have a Yamaha Wolverine and if you read in the 10 year belt warranty they don't cover if it breaks from general wear. It only covers it if the belt fails....but if it has dirt in it or has ever had water in it... which happens sometimes they won't cover it haha its a nice piece of mind though
     
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    "yamaha fanboy psychosis" Wow, you clearly haven't been on the forum very long. Welcome from Maryland! I have a P500. Bulletproof, and somewhat modified...;) My beef is with the company in general for many reasons which I won't go into (yet again) here. I am presently the shop supervisor at a Honda marine shop. I have been working on, and with Honda outboards for the last 10 years of my 38 year long career in the design, repair and modification of cars, trucks, heavy equipment, agricultural equipment, motorcycles, boats, etc.. And most recently, I wrote and illustrated the install manual for Torq-Masters 'Torq-Locker' automatic locking differential for the P-500. As far as being "aware that the I-4wd system is an upgrade".... I am quite aware that you believe it is. In my expert opinion, it is a very poor choice for a machine that is clearly intended to be run hard. There are very limited situations where a brake grabbing a low traction wheel will ever work as well as a locked differential. If you get into mud a lot, you already know how quickly brake pads disappear. No pads, no more traction control. Now add the additional wear of the computer applying the brakes continuously every time a wheel starts to spin....
    If you have a vehicle with this system (I do) you can do a simple test. Put one of the driving wheels on a slippery surface, and one on good traction- say one wheel on grass and one on pavement. Floor it. See if vehicle accelerates hard- it won't, brakes chattering, lights flashing, computer cuts engine power to nothing. Now do it ten times- rotor on the low traction side smoking, and system shuts down. In a muddy situation, or on snow, that's what the brake system will be subjected to hundreds of times. It's extremely disappointing to me that, yet again, Honda does not give it's customers choices- options. As far as the cost of true locker vs brake grabber, I'm pretty confident that a hydraulic pump, two,or four speed sensors, and programming to the existing computer, is far less expensive in the long run than the materials, complicated machining, and associated components to build, install, and actuate a true locking differential. Try not to get caught up in advertising hype. They have to sell it to you in a way that makes it sound like it's the best thing ever. It's usually just best for the company. And lastly- I do NOT want a Wolverine. I feel that Honda has completely ignored it's customers on so many fronts, that I feel right now that the only machine that will give me everything I want- short of the geared trans- is the Yamaha. It SUCKS, but presently, that's the only choice i.m.o.
    Cheers!
     
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    Ya, I read it, and I hear you. After I saw the 'guarantee' I started doing some research, and have found that very, very few Yamaha owners have ever had a belt failure, and the system seems to be known as the best CVT on the market. So if I have to be stuck with a CVT...seems like a 'no-brainer'
     
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    Ya.......me too.....o_O
     
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    JACKAL I seent it!
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    Lesser Excursions! :rolleyes:
     
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    Hey.... the brake pads don’t lie, street racer!
     
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    Ill second what jakal said. Further the arguement that i4wd is cheaper is also unrealistic. They've been making manual lockers forever. It's a cable and a couple parts In the differential. The i4wd will put full power to all 4 wheels. I've done it over and over. Just 2 days ago plowing heavy wet snow going uphill, all 4 wheels spinning and snow flying. No lights flashing or decreased power. That sir is what your city slicker SUV would do.

    Static friction is better traction than kinetic friction. The i4wd provides a focus on static friction when and where available.

    Tell me how much time you've spent real world testing this i4wd that you like to bash so hard.

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    Lol.. you have a point on that last part. But what difference does it make if y’all never ride with us anymore?
     
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    You cheating bastards!!
     
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    joeymt33 i4WD=imitated 4WD
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