I decided to go with a lithium battery.

[Indiana SxS]

Well, finally something stopped working on the Talon before it stopped working on the rzr. The battery went 👋 after just over a year, go figure only has a 1 year warranty. After researching there’s not a lot out there. I ended up ultimately going with the a lithium Antigravity battery. It has a built in jump.
So if you were to kill the battery it goes into sleep mode. When you hit the restart button it’s good for a few starts or charges back up and good to go. I like that idea. The last thing that amazes me is it weighs less then 5 pounds, the stock is 15 pounds.

Last thing to raise attention to 3 year warranty.

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[Vondy]

What are the cons to the lithium in a sxs? Any issues using them with a dual battery setup? @Hondasxs

 

[Hondasxs]

I'm not an expert at all on this.
But the Lithium has a lot of bennifits I think these machines can bennifit from.

So, its been a concern with the solenoids that they need to keep 12+ volts to maintain hold.
A lithium battery has a higher holding range. Usually in the 13.6 volt range.
So even if you pull power, I think it will stay above 12v at all times.
Also, unlike a led acid, the drain rate is totally different.
A lithium will hold 13+V as it drains until its dead, while a led acid goes down in voltage as it drains.
However, this would make it harder to know when a LI is dead until the moment its dead.

 

[Indiana SxS]

I'm not an expert at all on this.
But the Lithium has a lot of bennifits I think these machines can bennifit from.

So, its been a concern with the solenoids that they need to keep 12+ volts to maintain hold.
A lithium battery has a higher holding range. Usually in the 13.6 volt range.
So even if you pull power, I think it will stay above 12v at all times.
Also, unlike a led acid, the drain rate is totally different.
A lithium will hold 13+V as it drains until its dead, while a led acid goes down in voltage as it drains.
However, this would make it harder to know when a LI is dead until the moment its dead.


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Thanks, lots of good information there. These restarts may be a little bit different as if they get down to a certain level the battery memory module puts it into sleep mode. So potentially you may know when the battery is ready to be replaced and still be able to start it with the restart button vs being stranded at that point. I guess I’ll find out with time. I was going to stick with AGM until I keept seeing all of the benefits of lithium like you mention. They say lithium aren’t as good when the core of the battery is below freezing but are still fine. But if you think on it all batteries don’t like the cold.

 

[Vondy]

I'm not an expert at all on this.
But the Lithium has a lot of bennifits I think these machines can bennifit from.

So, its been a concern with the solenoids that they need to keep 12+ volts to maintain hold.
A lithium battery has a higher holding range. Usually in the 13.6 volt range.
So even if you pull power, I think it will stay above 12v at all times.
Also, unlike a led acid, the drain rate is totally different.
A lithium will hold 13+V as it drains until its dead, while a led acid goes down in voltage as it drains.
However, this would make it harder to know when a LI is dead until the moment its dead.


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Thanks. Planning on putting the dual battery setup in this winter and deciding which battery to use.

 

[CID]

A couple of years ago, a member on a motorcycle site started testing all the lithium batteries he could find. He was very good at it and had tons of expensive equipment for testing. One thing stood out - Antigravity and Earth X were better than all of their competition. The other thing was lithium‘s dislike of cold temperatures.

That was just over 2 years ago and I’m sure there are new players now but those two are the ones I’d be buying.

Being a #oleguy, I’m not ready to make the leap, Yuasa has been good to me for a looooong time, so -

 

[Indiana SxS]

Thanks. Planning on putting the dual battery setup in this winter and deciding which battery to use.

You may find you don’t need dual batteries. I have a 40” rigid light bar, stereo, whips, rock lights, heated seats, bazooka fans on each seat, air horn, two way radio, and a warn winch and I’ve never ran dual. My rzr all the same except 30 inch light bar. I would think you would only need dual if running subwoofers.

 

[Vondy]

You may find you don’t need dual batteries. I have a 40” rigid light bar, stereo, whips, rock lights, heated seats, bazooka fans on each seat, air horn, two way radio, and a warn winch and I’ve never ran dual. My rzr all the same except 30 inch light bar. I would think you would only need dual if running subwoofers.
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I have ran with one for the last 3 years. I have had to jump twice after sitting a while with soundbar and whips on. I'd rather go dual and not have to worry about it not starting.

 

[Jankyeye]

Biggest down side to LiFePo batteries in RVs is they can not be charged in sustained cold weather. Unless you are riding in sub freezing weather you should be happy with it.

 

[Indiana SxS]

I have ran with one for the last 3 years. I have had to jump twice after sitting a while with soundbar and whips on. I'd rather go dual and not have to worry about it not starting.

Never had that happen, although with this battery all you would have to do his hit the restart button and it would start backup. No jumping.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

I've saw quiet a few race cars in their trailers burn down from lipo batteries in the past year. I know a lot of the electric RC guys keep their batteries in fireproof boxes. I had 2 Shorai lipo batteries die 4 months apart in my motorcycle. They didnt have any low voltage shutoff and low voltage will kill them. They also dont like regular chargers or tenders, need ones made for lipo batteries.

 

[Hondasxs]

I know a lot of the electric RC guys keep their batteries in fireproof boxes.

Yep, I keep mine in a fire box as well.

 

[Indiana SxS]

I've saw quite a few race cars in their trailers burn down from lipo batteries in the past year. I know a lot of the electric RC guys keep their batteries in fireproof boxes. I had 2 Shorai lipo batteries die 4 months apart in my motorcycle. They didnt have any low voltage shutoff and low voltage will kill them. They also dont like regular chargers or tenders, need ones made for lipo batteries.

Yes, I thought about that as well. Per antigravity their battery management module won’t allow the low voltage as it puts it to sleep at 11 volts and won’t allow the battery to get to the state of a fire. Here is what they say:


With any energy dense battery there is a potential for fire to occur. But the facts are that there are circumstances that create the issues where the battery can go into what is called Thermal Runaway. Properly manufactured Lithium Batteries are safe. But certain circumstances should be avoided and proper care and maintenance of a lithium battery is vital to help avoid this condition.

Our most recent batteries – the RE-START line of products – have a complete Battery Management System (BMS) that offers the protections needed inside the battery so it cannot get to a point of Thermal Runaway.


Over-Discharge or Over-Charge are the most common causes of damage to lithium batteries;

Discharging them below 11 volts. (Only applicable to non-Restart batteries.)

 

[NTCPrezJB]

Yes, I thought about that as well. Per antigravity their battery management module won’t allow the low voltage as it puts it to sleep at 11 volts and won’t allow the battery to get to the state of a fire. Here is what they say:


With any energy dense battery there is a potential for fire to occur. But the facts are that there are circumstances that create the issues where the battery can go into what is called Thermal Runaway. Properly manufactured Lithium Batteries are safe. But certain circumstances should be avoided and proper care and maintenance of a lithium battery is vital to help avoid this condition.

Our most recent batteries – the RE-START line of products – have a complete Battery Management System (BMS) that offers the protections needed inside the battery so it cannot get to a point of Thermal Runaway.


Over-Discharge or Over-Charge are the most common causes of damage to lithium batteries;

Discharging them below 11 volts. (Only applicable to non-Restart batteries.)

They don’t take kindly to physical abuse either. Getting a battery tray with a lipo in it smacked with a stick or similar is a fire risk as well. Granted I wouldn’t recommend smacking a lead acid battery either but it wouldn’t burst into flames like Lipo’s do.

I wouldn’t hesitate to run a lipo myself. Just need to be aware there is a much bigger fire risk with them. Not sure I’d use a jump box on one because of that.

 

[Indiana SxS]

They don’t take kindly to physical abuse either. Getting a battery tray with a lipo in it smacked with a stick or similar is a fire risk as well. Granted I wouldn’t recommend smacking a lead acid battery either but it wouldn’t burst into flames like Lipo’s do.

I wouldn’t hesitate to run a lipo myself. Just need to be aware there is a much bigger fire risk with them. Not sure I’d use a jump box on one because of that.

Makes sense. Thanks for the feedback.

So I should get insurance now?

J/K

 

[DRZRon1]

interesting how a battery costs more than insurance these days

 

[Indiana SxS]

interesting how a battery costs more than insurance these days

Don’t say that or insurance will go up and the battery will be cheaper again.

 

[Bighat]

I've looked into lithium and I want try one when the time comes but it's still up in the air. For the cold part, you may not need a battery tender as much as you need a battery heater pad. Your not suppose to charge any battery when it gets so cold. As for fire, you'll need a special fire extinguisher to put out a lithuim fire. Also, warn winch company suggest that you don't use a lithium battery. I read this but couldn't find any definition as to why.

 

[Hometeam]

We are running an Antigravity ATX20 in one of our Talons right now. So far so good. I like it for all the points @Hondasxs pointed out. The other thing I am kind of checking with the lithium is whether it will help with all operations as the output volts will be better/more consistent (power steering, etc.). But after using one for a little, and I did use the restart already, I am going to be buy Antigravity for our other Talons. In the cold I "wake it up" a bit by turning my lights on for a sec before starting it. With the whole cold thing, I feel like the battery will be above freezing in 10 mins or so from the engine heat its sitting on top of...and if it's colder than that...well I'm going home!! 🤣

 

[Indiana SxS]

We are running an Antigravity ATX20 in one of our Talons right now. So far so good. I like it for all the points @Hondasxs pointed out. The other thing I am kind of checking with the lithium is whether it will help with all operations as the output volts will be better/more consistent (power steering, etc.). But after using one for a little, and I did use the restart already, I am going to be buy Antigravity for our other Talons. In the cold I "wake it up" a bit by turning my lights on for a sec before starting it. With the whole cold thing, I feel like the battery will be above freezing in 10 mins or so from the engine heat its sitting on top of...and if it's colder than that...well I'm going home!! 🤣

Good points and feedback. The battery has BMS to protect and once you have the battery core at 32 it will start charging and antigravity says if the battery is correctly fitted it should be fine starting in the cold and like you said you can turn on the lights to warm the battery up. I was on the fence on going lithium and figured I’d try it since literally everything is lithium on everything else. Cellphones, Tesla’s, tablets, airplanes etc. only time will tell all I can speak of is quoted from antigravity not actual use.