Observation from my ride this morning: My riding buddy and I went out early today and hit some 4x4 stuff before work. The hills we were riding were pretty steep and loose, big rocks along the way, etc. I spent the past decade riding quads and I love them. But this morning we switched and I was so happy to be back in the Pioneer. Honestly, the Pioneer felt much more planted and stable, and perhaps it was the weight. I felt uneasy doing the serious 4x4 work on the Grizzly 450, even though it's set up nicely. But I felt perfectly at home on the same trails in Rambo (P500). I'm loving being able to take family along with me on my rides. Just my thoughts today. On the flip side, if I was headed to the dunes tomorrow...give me a Raptor 700R.