P500 SATV Forward Arched A-arms

[futzin]

Since I have at least one bent front A-arm (and possibly one or more tweaked a-arm mounts) I'm considering upgrading to SATV's Forward Arched A-arms.

Figured I'd start a separate thread for updated info on these (fitment, install, what's not included, etc.).

I know a couple of guys besides me have some interest, and at least one member has installed them on a 520.

Some benefits are more strength, ability to adjust camber, ability to install 28" tires . . .

New ball joints are not included in the arms, plus whatever hardware that may entail.

If anyone has questions for @SuperATV then this would be a good place for them.

Firstly, can SATV verify fitment on a 2018 Pioneer 500?
Other than the A-arm ball joints (and someone to install them, in my case), what else do I need?
Other thoughts, concerns?

@SuperATV, @The Green Goat, @crewcabrob, @trigger

 

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[crewcabrob]

I sent you a private message on them. Hope that it helps!

 

[futzin]

@SuperATV, are the steering limiters included?
Are they optional or required for the P520/P500 application?

 

[trigger]

Since I have at least one bent front A-arm (and possibly one or more tweaked a-arm mounts) I'm considering upgrading to SATV's Forward Arched A-arms.

Figured I'd start a separate thread for updated info on these (fitment, install, what's not included, etc.).

I know a couple of guys besides me have some interest, and at least one member has installed them on a 520.

Some benefits are more strength, ability to adjust camber, ability to install 28" tires . . .

New ball joints are not included in the arms, plus whatever hardware that may entail.

If anyone has questions for @SuperATV then this would be a good place for them.

Firstly, can SATV verify fitment on a 2018 Pioneer 500?
Other than the A-arm ball joints (and someone to install them, in my case), what else do I need?
Other thoughts, concerns?

@SuperATV, @The Green Goat, @crewcabrob, @trigger

My input won't be too helpful as I have the OutKast A arms. I had to drill out the A arm tabs to accept bigger bolts, that weren't provided btw. I went with All Balls ball joints. The arms did come with bushings but they weren't installed. You'll end up buying some clamps and such to resecure brake lines, unless the SATV ones accommodated for this? That's all I can remember off the top of my head.

 

[futzin]

I think the SATV arms are predrilled to re-use the existing clamps on the brake lines.
The SATV also provides the bushings, not installed. Easy to do, or no?

 

[Smitty335]

I think the SATV arms are predrilled to re-use the existing clamps on the brake lines.
The SATV also provides the bushings, not installed. Easy to do, or no?

Unless they have changed the bushings since 2017, the bushings aren't worth installing, I've got over 2,000 miles on my RB3s, they need changing now. Before you install the bushings, make sure the Zerks will accept grease and are the correct ones for servicing after the install. Most accessory A-arms will beat the bushings out, not like the factory bushings that come in factory A-arms.

 

[SuperATV]

First, you'll be super impressed with the A-arms. They are beefy!

- Steering stops are included. We recommend them to protect you from axle-bind. Go without at your own risk. Most guys toss them anyway, but you do run the risk of binding up an axle at full drop and full turn. Just be aware of your axle angles in more extreme situations.
- Pre-drilled for your brake line clips
- Bushings are included. Run them. Nothing wrong with those bushings. Lots of updates through the years.
- Adjustable camber
- You will reuse your stock ball joints if they are still in good condition.
- You shouldn't need anything else for the install

The odd thing is they are only listed for the 2022+ P500 model. I thought they fit all the years, so I'll have to do some digging on that tomorrow. I'm hoping that's just an error, but I'll confirm tomorrow when the fitment team gets back in the morning.

 

[trigger]

I think the SATV arms are predrilled to re-use the existing clamps on the brake lines.
The SATV also provides the bushings, not installed. Easy to do, or no?

What's ironic is that the bushings that came with mine came from SATV. I haven't had any problems with mine and they just push in.

 

[futzin]

First, you'll be super impressed with the A-arms. They are beefy!

- Steering stops are included. We recommend them to protect you from axle-bind. Go without at your own risk. Most guys toss them anyway, but you do run the risk of binding up an axle at full drop and full turn. Just be aware of your axle angles in more extreme situations.
- Pre-drilled for your brake line clips
- Bushings are included. Run them. Nothing wrong with those bushings. Lots of updates through the years.
- Adjustable camber
- You will reuse your stock ball joints if they are still in good condition.
- You shouldn't need anything else for the install

The odd thing is they are only listed for the 2022+ P500 model. I thought they fit all the years, so I'll have to do some digging on that tomorrow. I'm hoping that's just an error, but I'll confirm tomorrow when the fitment team gets back in the morning.

Good deal, I appreciate it.

 

[SuperATV]

Good deal, I appreciate it.

After looking deeper into this, I'm thinking that's why we capped the fitment at 2022+ for the 500 models. Its going to be a bushing and hardware difference like @trigger mentioned above.

@trigger what year is yours? If yours is pre-2022, I'm betting @futzin would have to do the same thing and find bigger hardware and drill the tabs out to match the 2022+ models.

 

[futzin]

After looking deeper into this, I'm thinking that's why we capped the fitment at 2022+ for the 500 models. Its going to be a bushing and hardware difference like @trigger mentioned above.

@trigger what year is yours? If yours is pre-2022, I'm betting @futzin would have to do the same thing and find bigger hardware and drill the tabs out to match the 2022+ models.

What am I missing?

My 2021 P520 (approved fitment) and my 2018 P500 use the same A-arm mounting hardware...

 

[SuperATV]

What am I missing?

My 2021 P520 (approved fitment) and my 2018 P500 use the same A-arm mounting hardware...

Bushings I think. I think yours has funky bushings. And they changed to the 520 bushings in 2022. We modeled the arms off the 520...assuming they would work on the older 500 models, but you have those funky fixed bushings. They should bolt right up with the included bushing kit, but you may need hardware or may need to drill the tabs out a little bigger. I'm not exactly sure which or both, but the bushings are the only major difference.

 

[trigger]

After looking deeper into this, I'm thinking that's why we capped the fitment at 2022+ for the 500 models. Its going to be a bushing and hardware difference like @trigger mentioned above.

@trigger what year is yours? If yours is pre-2022, I'm betting @futzin would have to do the same thing and find bigger hardware and drill the tabs out to match the 2022+ models.

Mine's a '15. 10mm bolts were factory, had to drill them out for 12's. The first post in this thread tells the story.

P500 - Old Ironsides 2020

Seems like this thing changes every year so figured I'd post it up this way. Added the OutKast forward arched A arms, new All Balls ball joints, tie rod extensions from OutKast and 28x10x12 BH 2.0's on all four. It's sitting a little higher and not just by measurement...I knew it would a little...

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[SuperATV]

Yep, bet that's exactly it. There was a bushing change around the time of the 520 release for both...the 500 and 520. The older bushings were non-removable in the arms.

You'll MAY need 12mm bolts and drill out the frame tabs for the 12mm bolts. You may not. The 10mm may work just fine.

BOOM!! Bolts right up to all years depending on any hardware changes.

 

[trigger]

Futz, you said you're not real mechanical and neither was I with this or the Torq locker. Something that crossed my mind and maybe you know it already but I didn't when I did mine. Putting the machine on the ground before tightening the A arm bolts. Probably common sense for most but I'm not a gear head, more of a fit and finish guy. 🤷‍♂️

 

[futzin]

Thanks, t-rigger! Stuff like that is what I need, I reckon.

I don't know what I don't know.