Suspension tuning modification IE (revalving, respringing/adding features to shocks such as rebound and H/L speed comp adjusters) is what we do at Schmidty Racing Suspension. So that puts us behind the wheel of a LOT of OEM units of several different brands.. Some of the shock "set-ups" are just, not that good as released from the factory. bordering on "what were the engineers thinking that day when they decided to use these settings for shocks on their mass produced product?" ....So what I was attempting to say is that the OEM 4 seat Talon(non-live valve) provides a decent ride, that is IMHO better than many OEM shocks as they come from the factory. That said, I also know what a "good and well tuned set of shocks are capable of" on rough mountain trails, and therefore will be working on spring, valving, and adjustment improvement packages.