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[browntruck1981]

Their prices are almost too good, compared to others.

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[JTW]

Has anyone ever dealt with southern Illinois motorsports?

Yes

 

[browntruck1981]

Good experience?

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[michdave]

Picked up in Brookhaven, MS it’s 2021 deluxe. 15,997 plus 50 trama tax. That’s only fees. Unless you have taxes in your state. I live in Louisiana.


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Don't have farm exempt in La.

So...not to get into a big debate....

Every state has taxes on vehicles that have VINs. If your dealer, or the salesman who sold you the machine informed you otherwise...they're misleading you, naive to the states requirements, or simply leaving out the "whole truth".

For you folks in LA,..yes they do have taxes. Here is a link to a recent bulletin sent out where the state has identified many dealers that have not been collecting tax on sales and informing customers that they "didn't need to pay taxes". (See link below for bulletin sent to all dealers)

http://www.lmvc.la.gov/News/B-2019-002%20-%20Collection%20of%20Sales%20Tax%20-%20All-terrain%20vehicles,%20Off-road%20vehicles,%20Trailers,%20and%20Golf%20Carts.pdf

This is an age old trick in the world of off-road powersports. If a dealer convinces a potential customer that they do not have to pay taxes, they're able to provide a lower "Out-The-Door" price...because it's not truly OTD. They're only doing it to sweeten the price and make the sale.

I've worked in the industry for 12 years in multiple states, and have purchased and sold over 35 OHV's throughout the US during my moves....I haven't ran into once state that doesn't require taxes paid on a new or used sale to transfer an ACTUAL title. I've ran into dealers in every area I lived claiming I "didn't have to pay taxes"...until I questioned them about whether I received a Title or MSO and the legality of their claims....I ALWAYS received a call back stating that I was right and would have to pay taxes to receive a Title.

Want to check if you've been "had" by a dealer....look at what you think is your title. Is it a title? or an Manufactures Statement of Origin (MSO)? If you didn't pay taxes, chances are you only have, in your possession, an MSO.

For some folks, that's fine. Just be aware that if you carry insurance on your machine and it was ever to be totaled/stolen and the insurance company paid out, they would request the title because once they pay out, they essentially "bought" the vehicle from you. If you cannot provide a Title...they do not have to pay out. I've confirmed this through USAA, Geico and Progressive after purchasing a used dirt bike a few years back and only getting the MSO. Lesson learned.

I saw a sad example of this in VA a year or so ago. A very well known dealer went from being one of the highest sellers of orange dirt bikes to losing their dealers license for informing customers that they "didn't have to pay sales tax on off-road vehicles" in VA. Obviously after loosing his license, the dealer is no more. Some states regulate it and monitor it more than others.



Obviously there are tax exceptions such as farmer/agricultural, disabled veterans in some states, etc.

But, a lot of folks trust what their dealer or salesman says and its' not the correct information. If you don't believe me....call your DMV or Secretary of State and tell them that you bought a new or used OHV. Ask them if you have to pay taxes to get or transfer a title. I promise you that they know more about the subject than the salesman at your local dealer in most cases.

With all that being said, I don't think all dealers are shady. I don't think all salesman are shady. But...money makes folks do funny stuff.

I hate sales tax as much as the next guy and with my incredibly indecisive nature when it comes to "toy" purchases...Lord knows Uncle Same has gotten more money from me in term of taxes than most. But...gotta pay to play, right?

Sorry...hope that's not bad news for folks and I'm not trying to cause an argument. I just hate dealerships misleading their customers.

 

[TripleB]

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So...not to get into a big debate....

Every state has taxes on vehicles that have VINs. If your dealer, or the salesman who sold you the machine informed you otherwise...they're misleading you, naive to the states requirements, or simply leaving out the "whole truth".

For you folks in LA,..yes they do have taxes. Here is a link to a recent bulletin sent out where the state has identified many dealers that have not been collecting tax on sales and informing customers that they "didn't need to pay taxes". (See link below for bulletin sent to all dealers)

http://www.lmvc.la.gov/News/B-2019-002%20-%20Collection%20of%20Sales%20Tax%20-%20All-terrain%20vehicles,%20Off-road%20vehicles,%20Trailers,%20and%20Golf%20Carts.pdf

This is an age old trick in the world of off-road powersports. If a dealer convinces a potential customer that they do not have to pay taxes, they're able to provide a lower "Out-The-Door" price...because it's not truly OTD. They're only doing it to sweeten the price and make the sale.

I've worked in the industry for 12 years in multiple states, and have purchased and sold over 35 OHV's throughout the US during my moves....I haven't ran into once state that doesn't require taxes paid on a new or used sale to transfer an ACTUAL title. I've ran into dealers in every area I lived claiming I "didn't have to pay taxes"...until I questioned them about whether I received a Title or MSO and the legality of their claims....I ALWAYS received a call back stating that I was right and would have to pay taxes to receive a Title.

Want to check if you've been "had" by a dealer....look at what you think is your title. Is it a title? or an Manufactures Statement of Origin (MSO)? If you didn't pay taxes, chances are you only have, in your possession, an MSO.

For some folks, that's fine. Just be aware that if you carry insurance on your machine and it was ever to be totaled/stolen and the insurance company paid out, they would request the title because once they pay out, they essentially "bought" the vehicle from you. If you cannot provide a Title...they do not have to pay out. I've confirmed this through USAA, Geico and Progressive after purchasing a used dirt bike a few years back and only getting the MSO. Lesson learned.

I saw a sad example of this in VA a year or so ago. A very well known dealer went from being one of the highest sellers of orange dirt bikes to losing their dealers license for informing customers that they "didn't have to pay sales tax on off-road vehicles" in VA. Obviously after loosing his license, the dealer is no more. Some states regulate it and monitor it more than others.



Obviously there are tax exceptions such as farmer/agricultural, disabled veterans in some states, etc.

But, a lot of folks trust what their dealer or salesman says and its' not the correct information. If you don't believe me....call your DMV or Secretary of State and tell them that you bought a new or used OHV. Ask them if you have to pay taxes to get or transfer a title. I promise you that they know more about the subject than the salesman at your local dealer in most cases.

With all that being said, I don't think all dealers are shady. I don't think all salesman are shady. But...money makes folks do funny stuff.

I hate sales tax as much as the next guy and with my incredibly indecisive nature when it comes to "toy" purchases...Lord knows Uncle Same has gotten more money from me in term of taxes than most. But...gotta pay to play, right?

Sorry...hope that's not bad news for folks and I'm not trying to cause an argument. I just hate dealerships misleading their customers.

I have a couple of buddies burned on a sxs and a boat in another state. State of Tennessee came back almost a year later wanting their tax money. What could have been added to their loan at the time of purchase, had to be paid out of pocket. Also, idk about other states, but in Tennessee u owe taxes on anything bought. That includes online, person to person, etc etc. That's all on the honor system, so it doesn't happen. There is gonna be a day when they will monitor all online sales and get u there also.

 

[Smitty335]

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I have a couple of buddies burned on a sxs and a boat in another state. State of Tennessee came back almost a year later wanting their tax money. What could have been added to their loan at the time of purchase, had to be paid out of pocket. Also, idk about other states, but in Tennessee u owe taxes on anything bought. That includes online, person to person, etc etc. That's all on the honor system, so it doesn't happen. There is gonna be a day when they will monitor all online sales and get u there also.

Cashiers checks for person to person purchases. My bank does it for free, costs me a stamp and the wife doesn't know! HA!

 

[BigOL3]

So...not to get into a big debate....

Every state has taxes on vehicles that have VINs. If your dealer, or the salesman who sold you the machine informed you otherwise...they're misleading you, naive to the states requirements, or simply leaving out the "whole truth".

For you folks in LA,..yes they do have taxes. Here is a link to a recent bulletin sent out where the state has identified many dealers that have not been collecting tax on sales and informing customers that they "didn't need to pay taxes". (See link below for bulletin sent to all dealers)

http://www.lmvc.la.gov/News/B-2019-002%20-%20Collection%20of%20Sales%20Tax%20-%20All-terrain%20vehicles,%20Off-road%20vehicles,%20Trailers,%20and%20Golf%20Carts.pdf

This is an age old trick in the world of off-road powersports. If a dealer convinces a potential customer that they do not have to pay taxes, they're able to provide a lower "Out-The-Door" price...because it's not truly OTD. They're only doing it to sweeten the price and make the sale.

I've worked in the industry for 12 years in multiple states, and have purchased and sold over 35 OHV's throughout the US during my moves....I haven't ran into once state that doesn't require taxes paid on a new or used sale to transfer an ACTUAL title. I've ran into dealers in every area I lived claiming I "didn't have to pay taxes"...until I questioned them about whether I received a Title or MSO and the legality of their claims....I ALWAYS received a call back stating that I was right and would have to pay taxes to receive a Title.

Want to check if you've been "had" by a dealer....look at what you think is your title. Is it a title? or an Manufactures Statement of Origin (MSO)? If you didn't pay taxes, chances are you only have, in your possession, an MSO.

For some folks, that's fine. Just be aware that if you carry insurance on your machine and it was ever to be totaled/stolen and the insurance company paid out, they would request the title because once they pay out, they essentially "bought" the vehicle from you. If you cannot provide a Title...they do not have to pay out. I've confirmed this through USAA, Geico and Progressive after purchasing a used dirt bike a few years back and only getting the MSO. Lesson learned.

I saw a sad example of this in VA a year or so ago. A very well known dealer went from being one of the highest sellers of orange dirt bikes to losing their dealers license for informing customers that they "didn't have to pay sales tax on off-road vehicles" in VA. Obviously after loosing his license, the dealer is no more. Some states regulate it and monitor it more than others.



Obviously there are tax exceptions such as farmer/agricultural, disabled veterans in some states, etc.

But, a lot of folks trust what their dealer or salesman says and its' not the correct information. If you don't believe me....call your DMV or Secretary of State and tell them that you bought a new or used OHV. Ask them if you have to pay taxes to get or transfer a title. I promise you that they know more about the subject than the salesman at your local dealer in most cases.

With all that being said, I don't think all dealers are shady. I don't think all salesman are shady. But...money makes folks do funny stuff.

I hate sales tax as much as the next guy and with my incredibly indecisive nature when it comes to "toy" purchases...Lord knows Uncle Same has gotten more money from me in term of taxes than most. But...gotta pay to play, right?

Sorry...hope that's not bad news for folks and I'm not trying to cause an argument. I just hate dealerships misleading their customers.

Apparently you are either confused, or misread what was stated! No one stated there were no taxes in LA. AFTER @JTW stated ...... 'unless farm exempt' ...... I stated "LA. does not have farm exempt", but did not say nor imply we did not have sale tax.

I had no desire for a title if having to pay tax. So, I found a way around it, paid not tax, and got only a MSO, which was just fine with me.

 

[TripleB]

Cashiers checks for person to person purchases. My bank does it for free, costs me a stamp and the wife doesn't know! HA!

I bet u luv to lick the stamp! HA!

 

[michdave]

Yup, I must have misread. My bad.

 

[tradosaurus]

I will get some photos uploaded at some point. The bummy part is I have already paid for the pioneer but because of work schedules I won't get to pick it up until this thursday. We have "owned it" since Wednesday of last week. The only Kubota photos I have are when we bought it in April and brought it home.

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Exact tractor I bought in Feb of 2019. Have 90 hrs on mine. Love it.

 

[stonerkirk4]

Your mistaken on state sales tax on vehicles Oregon does not hav tax on vehicles

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[Biz]

No sales tax on my SXS, purchased in MS and titled in TX.

 

[BigOL3]

No sales tax on my SXS, purchased in MS and titled in TX.

Same here ....... purchased in MS and BoS addressed to MO.

 

[Adam490]

Same here ....... purchased in MS and BoS addressed to MO.

Was wondering how you managed to get by LA tax...

 

[ToothDK87]

Bumping this thread.

After contacting all dealers within 6 hours of me, the best price dealer won’t have what I want until the end of November, so I contacted another dealer to see when they would get one in. This dealer who I spoke with two weeks ago quoted me at $17300 OTD (no tax) for a 2021 pioneer 1000-5 deluxe white with windshield and roof. When I called today he said he’s only got reds in stock but he would swap for the white plastics at not charge. But then he told me that he never quoted me that price and actually the price would start at $17,600 before options. So I’m wondering if anyone else has had dealers go up significantly on the price like this?

*I will still pay the tax when I register it


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[BigOL3]

Bumping this thread.

After contacting all dealers within 6 hours of me, the best price dealer won’t have what I want until the end of November, so I contacted another dealer to see when they would get one in. This dealer who I spoke with two weeks ago quoted me at $17300 OTD (no tax) for a 2021 pioneer 1000-5 deluxe white with windshield and roof. When I called today he said he’s only got reds in stock but he would swap for the white plastics at not charge. But then he told me that he never quoted me that price and actually the price would start at $17,600 before options. So I’m wondering if anyone else has had dealers go up significantly on the price like this?

*I will still pay the tax when I register it


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Personally, I would just WAIT until there production picks up and deals are available.

 

[chucksmith0706]

I think this will forever change the market and price on these.


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[Mudder]

That statement about Insurance not covering a MSO only vehicle claim is interesting.

 

[Backwoods]

My thoughts are eventually when the virus scare is over and demand drops with.all the units sold you will be able to negotiate a good deal again. But who knows how long it may be.

 

[Capn1]

Bumping this thread.

After contacting all dealers within 6 hours of me, the best price dealer won’t have what I want until the end of November, so I contacted another dealer to see when they would get one in. This dealer who I spoke with two weeks ago quoted me at $17300 OTD (no tax) for a 2021 pioneer 1000-5 deluxe white with windshield and roof. When I called today he said he’s only got reds in stock but he would swap for the white plastics at not charge. But then he told me that he never quoted me that price and actually the price would start at $17,600 before options. So I’m wondering if anyone else has had dealers go up significantly on the price like this?

*I will still pay the tax when I register it


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Yes I had dealers go up on price when the salesman I was talking to was "on vacation" or "no longer with them". I've called so many times since the beginning of August and just missed one that I'm at the point now where I'm tired of it and haven't even called one of them in a couple weeks or whenever it was that Abernathy's moved or changed hands or whatever they did a while back.

In my experience, the dealers with stock were a couple thousand higher than the ones without stock. I'm starting to think this is a game they're playing to keep you from going somewhere else, then they claim their salesman is gone and jack the price up when they get inventory. Also, I could be overthinking it but I'm planning on waiting until they all have inventory anyway.