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Talon Doesn't Fit :(

Discussion in 'General Talon 1000 Discussion' started by OldTruckie, May 19, 2019.

  1. stellarpod

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    Yes, upon inspection I noticed the same thing. I may give it a shot (raising the seat rails and moving them back) nonetheless. My concern is with that scenario is more with the loss of headroom than raising the CG. I've got a tool/die machinist buddy who could fabricate a nice set of risers out of aluminum for me. Might be worth a try.

    Steve.
     
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  2. PaulF

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    One more thing I completely forgot to mention. When I first got mine, I thought the seat was all the way back but it was not. The seat was hitting the back before it would latch into the rear most adjustment position forcing it to use the second most rear position. This causes the seat to sit 3/4 inch forward. Drove the first 200 miles like this before I figured it our. I adjusted the seat slightly forward about 1/8 inch (yes, I said forward) and now it slides all the way back. 3/4 inch doesnt sound like much but it really is.

    Went to the dealer to get some oil change supplies and looked at the 7 units they had on the floor and 2 more were just like mine so I suspect this might be a common occurrence.

    If you can slip more than the tip of your finger between the rear of the seat and the harness bar, your seat is not all the way back and you might want to take a look at adjusting the seat.
     
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    I have successfully fabricated some risers out of steel tubing to experiment. You are better off raising the seat on the slider and leaving the slider in its stock location. I was able to move the seat back 1.2 inches. I used 1" square tubing and raised the front 1" and the rear 1.2". There is some plastic that needs to be heated and moved (or cut away if you prefer) about 1/2" for the rail to slide back over the crossbar.

    The seat now rests on the harness crossbar. My right knee no longer bangs on the round part where the key is located and actually moved my knee down and back more than I thought. Headroom was slightly affected but I have long legs (36" inseam) and a shorter body so headroom is not really a concern for me. All in all, I think this is going to be acceptable.

    I am heading out tomorrow for 4 days of trail riding and rock climbing. I will likely put 150 to 200 miles on and report back next weekend.
     
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    Would like to see pictures when you have time with your fabrication, be safe and enjoy.
     
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    I'd like to hear some results as well...I'm looking for my first sport sxs myself and unsure which direction I'm gonna go...
     
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    Day 1 and so far very pleased. Right knee no longer tender where it used to hit on the round part next to the key and I have more room on the left with my turn switch. I have a half windshield and it does throw a little more wind in my face but I actually wanted more so I am pleased about that too. I cannot believe how much of a difference it made in my vantage point too. I am used to a utility sxs (Rhino) and I actually moved the seat down it that because I felt I was too high.

    All in all, I really like it and will most likely leave it this way.

    Here is the piece installed. It is the same on both sides. That's a 45 degree cut (both front and back) and there is a hole in the top to tighten the original rear nut with a socket (otherwise it is almost impossible to get to). the bolt on the front is inserted up through a hole and tack welded. The rear bolt is welded on top of the tubing and about .2 inch of filler (thickness of the bolt head) is placed there to space the rear of the seat up. This slightly changes the angle and allows the seat to go back 1.2 inches instead of 3/4 inch...
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    And your seat back will end up right against the harness bar...
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    The right rail will hit the plastic so you will have to "adjust" it somehow. I used a heat gun and melted it out of the way about 1/2 inch...
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    That looks good. Thanks for sharing the pictures. I am going to do the same thing.
     
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    Really elegant (and rather simple) solution, PaulF. This is a perfect example of how the group brain trust benefits us all. Thanks much for sharing.

    Steve
     
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    Greatly appreciate the pictures and update, another project in the works. Thank you sir.
     
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    Update! 4 days and 200 miles later and I am VERY pleased with this mod. In addition to the added legroom and comfort, I can see better (not just the front but sides and rear also) and feel more aware of my surroundings during slower/technical riding without giving up anything when going fast. It surprised me how much difference 1.2 inches makes.

    This is a super cheap and easy mod that all tall drivers should try. It took me about 4 hours but 3 of that was R&D so most of you can do it in an hour. I had the material sitting around but for $20 or $30 at Home Depot, you should be good to go.
     
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    Good to hear, PaulF. I'm going to have to give this a shot.

    Steve
     
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    Glad to help!
     
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    Im thinking it is a good mod for us short guys also. Nice higher driver position with a better view.
     
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    is it me or am I tired of these gargantuan MF b****ing & whining that normal size proportions are too small :eek::eek:
     
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    Hey, if Honda (or any other manufacturer for that matter) wants to limit their market to the average subset, that's certainly their prerogative. However, adding a couple of more inches in cockpit length would have opened this particular machine up to a much wider audience, and arguably without any significant associated cost or handling degradation. Every one of us has the right to sit in a machine and "try it on" before buying, but some things don't really become evident until you've spent some time on the trails. I don't think there's any problem with, 1) voicing an opinion, and 2) offering some solution options for those who perceive a problem.

    And yes, I guess I'm one of your *gargantuan(s)" at 6'4", 255 pounds. Although I'd like to see that additional room in the cockpit, I've found my peace with it and am able to enjoy the ride for many hours on end.

    Steve
     
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    Your second post and you come here bashing me (and other giants). What a troll. Go F yourself!
     
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