P500 HMF Exhaust

[Todd627]

It has to be perfect and bullet proof or I won't do it. Just gathering all the info I can get before pulling the trigger.

@trigger talking about pulling the trigger....classic

 

[Admin]

 

[BuckCreek01]

Decided to post the whole tune section from the site. See below:

• THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE PURCHASED AN AFTERMARKET EXHAUST. DO I NEED TO DO OR GET ANYTHING ELSE?
  

Yes, you need to properly tune your motor.

• WHY SHOULD I PROPERLY TUNE?

When you put an aftermarket higher-flowing exhaust on a vehicle, it throws off the current air/fuel mixture that the vehicle is setup from the factory with.

• WHY DOES THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE CHANGE?

The aftermarket exhaust is designed to allow more airflow to pass by significantly less restricted than the stock muffler does. Also, generally the mid pipe and head pipes of most aftermarket systems are larger diameters than stock which allow for added airflow to pass through quicker. This changes the air/fuel mixture that is set up for the stock exhaust system.

• WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AIR/FUEL MIXTURE CHANGE?

When the air/fuel mixture is changed, your motor will have a tendency to run lean. Running lean generally means that your motor is not getting enough fuel to balance out the added airflow and equates to your motor and exhaust system running at higher-than-normal temperatures.

• WHY IS RUNNING LEAN A BAD THING?

When a motor is running lean, it is not getting the ample amount of fuel that it needs to function at its best. This leads to increased overall exhaust and motor temperatures and also decreased overall performance. It is never a good idea to run a motor or our exhaust at higher-than-normal temperatures since it can lead to failures down the road.

• WHAT ARE THE SIGNS THAT MY MOTOR IS RUNNING LEAN?

Generally the tell-tale signs while riding are popping and backfiring, especially on deceleration. Hotter motor temperatures and a whitish firing end of your spark plug are also good indicators.

• WHAT DOES PROPER TUNING ENTAIL THEN?

When we refer to proper tuning, we are referring to adding enough fuel to compensate for the added airflow. In doing so, this will allow you to eliminate the lean issue and bring your motor back up to having a proper air/fuel mixture.

• DO I HAVE TO REMAP/TUNE EVEN IF I’M JUST BUYING A SLIP ON EXHAUST AND NOT A FULL SYSTEM?

Yes. The biggest increase of airflow will come from the less-restrictive aftermarket muffler(s) and not the head pipe(s). Given that, your motor will still run lean and requires proper tuning.

• I HEARD I DON’T NEED TO TUNE BECAUSE I HAVE AN O2 SENSOR WHICH SELF-ADJUSTS, RIGHT?

This is an incorrect assumption. Just because your stock exhaust system has an O2 sensor in it does not mean it is self tuning. The stock O2 sensor is an emissions compliant component that keeps the vehicle running at 14.7 AFR (which is lean) only during light engine load conditions. The O2 sensor makes the vehicle run lean during idle, low RPM and steady cruise. The O2 sensor does not function under engine load (acceleration & full throttle). By eliminating the O2 sensor, we are able to richen up the low end with our TFI Power Box and then fine tune the fueling for acceleration and full throttle now that the performance mods (exhaust) have been added. By eliminating the O2 sensor and correcting the fueling, the vehicle should run cooler, have improved low end torque and overall smoother drive-ability.

• I HAVE A FUEL INJECTED VEHICLE, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO?

You need to properly remap your fuel system in order to add fuel to compensate for the added airflow of the new exhaust.

• HOW DO I PROPERLY REMAP?

By using a fuel controller (aka programmer), you can remap and tune your motor.

• WHO SELLS CONTROLLERS/PROGRAMMERS?

We sell fuel controllers known as TFI Power Boxes for many of the fuel injected models that we offer exhaust systems for.

• DO I HAVE TO BUY YOUR TFI POWER BOX?

You do not have to buy our controller and can opt for a competitor’s module instead, but do still need to properly tune.

• HOW INVOLVED IS THE TUNING PROCESS USING THE TFI POWER BOX?

Our TFI Power Boxes come pre-set with a middle of the road setting already compensating for the aftermarket exhaust. Generally, about 80% of customers that we speak with don’t feel the need to adjust any further after installing it. That’s not to say you can’t fine tune and try to change adjustments even further if you feel comfortable.

• IS THE TFI POWER BOX DIFFICULT TO INSTALL?

Our boxes are designed as plug-and-play units that plug directly in line with your stock injector harness. The plastic clips on the ends of our Power Box wiring harnesses make it easy to unplug your stock harness and plug our clips directly in line. The only other thing aside from routing the module to your desired location would be hooking up the ground wire; usually the best place being the battery.

• WHAT IF I DON’T FEEL COMFORTABLE INSTALLING THE CONTROLLER MYSELF?

We recommend taking it to a certified mechanic or someone that you feel comfortable with working on your vehicle. Don’t let not knowing how or not feeling comfortable installing a controller be an excuse to not properly tuning your vehicle.

• I HAVE A CARBURETED VEHICLE, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO?

You need to re-jet your carburetor in order to add fuel to compensate for the added airflow of the new exhaust.

• DOES EVERY MODEL GET RE-JETTED THE SAME?

Every model is different and will require different jetting specs according to various factors like altitude, the exhaust system that you have, air box modifications and the use of aftermarket air filters.

• HOW DO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT JETS TO PUT IN MY PARTICULAR BIKE / ATV / SIDE X SIDE MODEL?

Since it is nearly impossible to have exact jetting specs for every model while taking into account the various different potential setups, we have made a great effort to have jetting specs for as many models as possible. Please call us to find out what specs we have determined for your particular model.

• WHY DON’T YOU HAVE JETTING SPECS ON YOUR WEBSITE?

Given the vast amount of potential setups, we feel it is best to give specs directly to each customer after hearing the exact setup that you have / are going to have on your vehicle. This way, we can work to give you the best recommendation for jetting on your vehicle.

• WHAT IF I DON’T FEEL COMFORTABLE RE-JETTING MY CARBURETOR MYSELF?

We recommend taking it to a certified mechanic or someone that you feel comfortable with working on your vehicle. Don’t let not knowing how or not feeling comfortable re-jetting be an excuse to not properly tuning your vehicle.

 

[trigger]

Good sh** Buck! Shows I have even more reading to do.

 

[BuckCreek01]

Good sh** Buck! Shows I have even more reading to do.

I would be highly interested in an ECU flash with exhaust modification. That could potentially open the door for so much. I do not know if that is possible with the P5 but I know a person to contact. The ECU flash on my bike did more than just mixture mapping and power. Changed when my cooling fan came on(220 degrees to 195), removed speed limiter, allowed on the fly map changes(agressive, standard, and city mode) at the push of a button. I would think it will require a test unit and owner interest for the programmer to consider the P5.

 

[Montecresto]

It has to be perfect and bullet proof or I won't do it. Just gathering all the info I can get before pulling the trigger.

Exactly. Then the rest of us can follow if it works out good....

 

[trigger]

Maybe I should just listen to this dude...lol!

 

[Montecresto]

Maybe I should just listen to this dude...lol!

Hope he gets that done and posts up the results, soon.

Risky info for the dealer to be throwing out there. Bet they wouldn’t appreciate him posting it out there like that....

Give it a go trigger. You know you want to, then let us know what happens. That guy may need to run it a bit longer than just around the yard to make sure it’s not going to throw any codes. But sounds like it’s ok.

 

[trigger]

Hope he gets that done and posts up the results, soon.

Risky info for the dealer to be throwing out there. Bet they wouldn’t appreciate him posting it out there like that....

Give it a go trigger. You know you want to, then let us know what happens. That guy may need to run it a bit longer than just around the yard to make sure it’s not going to throw any codes. But sounds like it’s ok.

I actually read through the comments and he said that it ended up spitting out an error code after 4 or 5 rides. He was eliminating the O2 though, I'd be leaving it plugged in. The little programmer that comes with the HMF looks chintzy. Could try it and if doesn't run right, spring for the Doebeck...

 

[pFive]

What manufacturer flat out said the reason they have no offering is because they could not get the factory unit off/out of the P5 without cutting the factory pipe?

 

[trigger]

What manufacturer flat out said the reason they have no offering is because they could not get the factory unit off/out of the P5 without cutting the factory pipe?

I just read that last night, it was HMF right? Did you ever end up doing anything with yours pFive?

 

[GlockMeister]

Might talk with @jak9922 ..hes running aftermarket on his p5.

 

[pFive]

I just read that last night, it was HMF right? Did you ever end up doing anything with yours pFive?

No, I considered it and realized that any performance gains may just be all in my head (louder cars are faster). If I had conclusive dyno proof, that changing JUST the exhaust, or modifying the cat etc.. would net me anything substantial I would do it.

 

[pFive]

Besides, my Turbo set-up seems to remove the need to modify that old stock exhaust...did I not mention that? I could swear I made a post about that?








LOL. not.

 

[Mudder]

From @jak9922

 

[Montecresto]

I actually read through the comments and he said that it ended up spitting out an error code after 4 or 5 rides. He was eliminating the O2 though, I'd be leaving it plugged in. The little programmer that comes with the HMF looks chintzy. Could try it and if doesn't run right, spring for the Doebeck...

There ya go......

 

[nctrailboss]

He's done some more testing,,spiittt,don't think he was impressed.

 

[trigger]

Trigger has been pulled. HMF Performance Series for 2012 Foreman. Was leaning towards the Swamp Series but couldn't pass up the deal on this one, $145.

 

[Montecresto]

Trigger has been pulled. HMF Performance Series for 2012 Foreman. Was leaning towards the Swamp Series but couldn't pass up the deal on this one, $145.

Here we go....

 

[trigger]

This is the one I ordered, hope it works.

 

[Montecresto]

This is the one I ordered, hope it works.

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Looks neat. So do you have a little electric box (MIG) welder?? And is there one other component that you have to add? Can’t tell for sure by that pic but the outlet diameter looks bigger than stock??? Less back pressure!!!???