Honda of South Carolina files lawsuit alleging trade secret violations

[Kilo427]

Only the ones in Arkansas

 

[Montecresto]

Only the ones in Arkansas

Good thing I’m in New Mexico

 

[Kilo427]

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[Cuoutdoors]

I bet they are mad because the competition found out juicy details 6months ahead of when Honda planned on them finding out publicly. Giving the competition 6months additional time to adapt their product and marketing. I am sure Hondas lawyers and accountants are figuring the theoretical numbers for lost sales based on that into the lawsuit. They obviously had a lot of people sign NDAs to be able to have very detailed information to make accessories and write up articles. Those people weren't stupid and didn't violate them.

I am not picking sides, just trying to be a realist, I've seen what the company I work for legally does and has done to protect their product and customer base, from dishonorable or unethical attacks. I am really proud than in 8 years I haven't even heard whispers of them doing something sketchy, illegal, or unethical and that if they found out an employee did something like that they came forward and revealed what the ex-employee did and the company paid the fines before it was caught and revealed after they hid it.

I've seen what lawyers for other corporations much smaller than the one I work for have done to small businesses out of spite even if they couldn't make an NDA lawsuit stick. I really don't like lawyers (unless they are defending me from other lawyers) I don't always agree with the law or the fact that a company can lose more than a small business is worth to kill that small business. Its legal though so if you sign an NDA its always best to not start a fight with someone who can lose and still win.

Yes the Minivan was absolute s***, but the west coast seems to be the focus of Honda even with the Talon, so us east coast guys may have to go elsewhere to get what we want. That may end up even being a competitors sport sxs since we don't seem to be their target audience. The Talon seems to be aimed at desert use not use in the woods, to me it seems like the X was an afterthought and the R was the main design. Realistically who wants to pay only $1000 less and get 6" less suspension travel which will be a benefit in rocky terrain as much as desert. (Edit: yes could say the R was “Only $1000 more for 6” more travel” but if you’re not the target coast then it appears the other way around ) If they had a youth sxs I'd be looking at it instead of a RZR170 for mine.

I'm a Honda fanboy but lets be real.

I'd just self represent. Let them waste their time and money. It's pretty simple. They can only break you if you let them.

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[JACKAL]

I'd just self represent. Let them waste their time and money. It's pretty simple. They can only break you if you let them.

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Maybe, but how much time can you spend in SC court away from a career say in Colorado? Make a trip to appear, be there 15 minutes and they get a continuance. Just shuffling a guy around from home to court could break someone that lives far away after a dozen trips.

 

[Cuoutdoors]

Maybe, but how much time can you spend in SC court away from a career say in Colorado? Make a trip to appear, be there 15 minutes and they get a continuance. Just shuffling a guy around from home to court could break someone that lives far away after a dozen trips.

I dont disagree. However there are laws regarding where the lawsuit takes place. The lawsuit takes place in the state where an offense was committed. So if they were to come after a website, what state does that take place?

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[dnjones161]

I don't spend a lot of time in R&D facilities but it seems like this suggests they can't figure out who took the photos? Those areas weren't monitored with video, audio and a guest log?

The pictures were of new units in a warehouse on crates...not like it was an open semi driving down the highway. If there was restricted access this isn't rocket science.

I can't believe a company as big as Honda can't keep their information locked down any tighter than that. I call BS. This seems like an odd publicity stunt.

 

[JACKAL]

I dont disagree. However there are laws regarding where the lawsuit takes place. The lawsuit takes place in the state where an offense was committed. So if they were to come after a website, what state does that take place?

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Interesting point, the big offense as I see it is where were those machines physically located when the photos were taken? If its inside a Honda facility (which appears likely) that location could be identified. And the person who took the photos in violation of their employment or contract policies is SOL if identified.

On that note I have copied and posted in this forum from over 40 states while in my travels, some threads have had replies from 5 different states in the same day. Mostly just BS nonsense in the MEME thread but some not. I'm just an old fart with too much time on his hands.

 

[Plumber32]

Interesting point, the big offense as I see it is where were those machines physically located when the photos were taken? If its inside a Honda facility (which appears likely) that location could be identified. And the person who took the photos in violation of their employment or contract policies is SOL if identified.

On that note I have copied and posted in this forum from over 40 states while in my travels, some threads have had replies from 5 different states in the same day. Mostly just BS nonsense in the MEME thread but some not. I'm just an old fart with too much time on his hands.

Are you worried you're going to end up on the other end of the Billy club?

 

[CumminsPusher]

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Lmao!! That’s what happened

 

[TimG]

I don't think it's anybody we know and love leaking Honda photo's so I wouldn't be concerned unless I got subpoenaed.

 

[JACKAL]

Are you worried you're going to end up on the other end of the Billy club?

Not really, never worked for Honda, or contracted for them, never been on any of thier facilities grounds. Closest person I knew in Honda was Bruce Ogilvie who was over the Off Road Division he helped me when racing ATC's in 1985 & 1986, he passed away in 2006. I have no other ties to Honda other than being a fan and powersports customer since 1974. If being an enthusiastic fan and sharing what was already on the internet is a crime well that's a hell of a way to treat people. Seriously if at any time someone had sent me a message private or public to cease and desist I would have complied. Not trying to make enemies.

If Honda wants to calculate potential losses, how much did they lose by not putting the machines out at the end of 2015 instead of waiting 3 years, they could have increased market share by 50% over current levels had people had the option.

 

[elkaholic]

Interesting point, the big offense as I see it is where were those machines physically located when the photos were taken? If its inside a Honda facility (which appears likely) that location could be identified. And the person who took the photos in violation of their employment or contract policies is SOL if identified.

In which case the suit will be a SC suit unless the contract states otherwise.




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[Montecresto]

I don't spend a lot of time in R&D facilities but it seems like this suggests they can't figure out who took the photos? Those areas weren't monitored with video, audio and a guest log?

The pictures were of new units in a warehouse on crates...not like it was an open semi driving down the highway. If there was restricted access this isn't rocket science.

I can't believe a company as big as Honda can't keep their information locked down any tighter than that. I call BS. This seems like an odd publicity stunt.

Hmm, sounds reasonable....

 

[Deleted member 3748]

I think the legal issues will be with the people who took the photos and shared them. I don't think posting the photos would be a crime. But I am NOT an attorney... what do I know?

 

[Montecresto]

But I am NOT an attorney... what do I know?

Famous last words.

 

[Smitty335]

Not really, never worked for Honda, or contracted for them, never been on any of thier facilities grounds. Closest person I knew in Honda was Bruce Ogilvie who was over the Off Road Division he helped me when racing ATC's in 1985 & 1986, he passed away in 2006. I have no other ties to Honda other than being a fan and powersports customer since 1974. If being an enthusiastic fan and sharing what was already on the internet is a crime well that's a hell of a way to treat people. Seriously if at any time someone had sent me a message private or public to cease and desist I would have complied. Not trying to make enemies.

If Honda wants to calculate potential losses, how much did they lose by not putting the machines out at the end of 2015 instead of waiting 3 years, they could have increased market share by 50% over current levels had people had the option.

I think Honda's R & D dept. needs an over haul! They put products out and use the public for R & D! And didn't want another P1. Mines been in 4 times, 2 for clutches, 1 for excessive heat in the cab and muffler modification and needs to go back for the air boot check, that makes 5. That's a lot of time to take off work to take back to the dealer, for something that's not a necesssity for substaing life. At least it didn't burn to the ground on the trail!

 

[Choogsbro]

Does Robert Mueller know about this ?

 

[Mudder]

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Solved...a multi- million dollar investigation has revealed an unidentifed source confirmed the words do exist in the Russian language.

 

[Vikes79]

This is pretty serious for those that are involved and shouldn’t be brushed off as insignificant....and those involved will be found. Honda will not back off for three reasons.

1. Sets an example for current employees and contractors.

2. Leaks like this are killing companies not only in lost sales but the enormous amounts of R+D bucks that are not recovered.

3. It is theft of company intellectual property pure and simple.

In my current occupation as a engineer, I’m held to very high standards for keeping the company secrets internal. If I were to bring in a contractor and they posted sensitive company secrets you can bet I’d be in a lot of hot water as well as the contractor.

In a digital world where everyone carries a recording and photo device that can upload to the web in a millisecond, every second counts for companies that are trying to be first to market with their products.

Typically when I bring a contractor into my locations I require them to leave their electronics in a basket at the plant entrance. If photos are needed I will provide them with internally approved photos if needed.

Most companies now require that only upper level managers can have cell phones out on their production floors, and anyone that is not part of that select group could be termed immediately if caught with one.