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I go everywhere in turf mode. You guys need to learn to drive
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Well if you rode past 4:00 old man you’d get into some good stuff with us!
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0860silverado
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I told my co-workers..."if you need 4WD, you are somewhere that you shouldn't be".
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Not hardly.. that’s where the fun begins!
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Well, with just 75 miles on the clock, I've got a lot of "testing" to do. However, I put it thru it's paces this last week in N Idaho, and had no issues whatsoever.
I'm not the guy that's going to put my machine into a spot where I'm likely to hurt it. I use my toys, but I try to take good care of them too.
There is one hill on the main trail out of my place that is pretty dam steep. It's rutted, off camber, rocky etc.. It's a hill I never tried on the ATV's because it's about 70-80 yards long and in a couple spots I'd have to be setting on the rack to keep it from going over backwards.
Like the Viking before it, the Pioneer walked right up.
I'm not the guy that's going to put my machine into a spot where I'm likely to hurt it. I use my toys, but I try to take good care of them too.
There is one hill on the main trail out of my place that is pretty dam steep. It's rutted, off camber, rocky etc.. It's a hill I never tried on the ATV's because it's about 70-80 yards long and in a couple spots I'd have to be setting on the rack to keep it from going over backwards.
Like the Viking before it, the Pioneer walked right up.
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I-4wd is pretty bad ass. I went wheeling with Tramguage1 and CaptainJackRZR this weekend. @Tramguage1 PK1 never failed to climb the crazy stuff we did. I’m pretty impressed with the technology that is being put into sxs across all manufactures.
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I gotta get my 2cents in on this one.. I'm totally in favor of 'technology' making equipment better, more durable, efficient, etc.. I have a problem with using 'technology' to just make what once required skill, common sense, and even intelligence to do, available to those with the least skill, no common sense, stupidest, and careless among us, for no other reason than to increase sales. The so called "intelligent 4wd" system will allow the previously mentioned, to get themselves into places and situations they should never have been able to get themselves into, and because these technologies contribute to increasing the numbers of the previously mentioned out into the wilderness and trails where they have no business whatsoever being, it won't be long before there will be so many rules, regulations, and then the required authorities to police them, our last vestige of actual freedom will be all f'd up like everything else.
I speak from experience here: I've been in the boating industry for over 35 years, and have seen the exact same scenario happen in boating. Any idiot can now buy a boat that will damn near dock itself with 'joystick' control, navigation skills totally irrelevant, knowledge of systems unknown, etc. I have seen the devastation that occurs when these systems fail. In my area, on any boat outing, you can just about bet on being stopped by one of 6-8 different authorities that police the area, that are all seemingly competing for revenue by giving out tickets. You pretty much need a Lawyer on-board to decipher all the fishing regulations etc...
This is what 'technology' for convenience, or just plain dumbing down of every aspect of our lives does. Every time. 100%
So, NO, I don't think "intelligent" 4wd is good for anyone, except an O.E.M.'s bottom line.
I speak from experience here: I've been in the boating industry for over 35 years, and have seen the exact same scenario happen in boating. Any idiot can now buy a boat that will damn near dock itself with 'joystick' control, navigation skills totally irrelevant, knowledge of systems unknown, etc. I have seen the devastation that occurs when these systems fail. In my area, on any boat outing, you can just about bet on being stopped by one of 6-8 different authorities that police the area, that are all seemingly competing for revenue by giving out tickets. You pretty much need a Lawyer on-board to decipher all the fishing regulations etc...
This is what 'technology' for convenience, or just plain dumbing down of every aspect of our lives does. Every time. 100%
So, NO, I don't think "intelligent" 4wd is good for anyone, except an O.E.M.'s bottom line.
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I'm totally with you on this. What scares the HELL outta me is Uber's self driving car. If this thing catches on, we can kiss the joy of piloting a car down a twisty road goodbye! (I think it already ran over and killed someone so maybe common sense will prevail for a bit longer).
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You are over generalizing to the extremes here. I4wd is a technology that exists in nearly all 4wd SUV'S that are on the road today. It doesn't make anyone a better driver or more talented or skilled. You're putting it in the same category as boats and cars that park themselves and that's simply not the case. Theres no auto pilot it's just making the 4wd more efficient. Just like locking and limited slip rear ends helped trucks, electronic 4wd options have also improved the auto world. It has helped a lot of people get from a to b more effectively and more safely.
Technology also helps professionals. Look at nascar, indy, trophy trucks and so on. I understand your sentiment towards idiots that can't drive and tend to put too much faith in their vehicles but to say i4wd will be the demise of our enjoyment of trail riding is a bit over the top.
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If I were to buy my wife a pioneer it would be the I 4wd. It's a great setup for women and general easy trail riding.
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Plumber32
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I figured that would put a burr under your saddle!
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^^^^^^This.
also, the i4wd will most likely tear up less turf and be easier on the trail surface.
Tell me you don't want the i4wd because it adds more complicated electronics to the machine, and is more stuff to go wrong... I'd understand that. It was for that reason that I was on the fence for a bit between the LE and the DLX. In the end, I like the look, I really dig the Fox shocks, and know that my better half can just throw it in 4wd and not worry about it.
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0860silverado
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Soooo.... You're saying women aren't capable of figuring out how to use a manual 4WD system effectively. Got it. I'll start a batch of popcorn.
Plumber32
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My wife can. But just using the generalization of the damsel in distress!
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So Polaris set the bar pretty low, belt drive, a bazillion grease zerks and spontaneous combustion of the whole damn SxS. Honda comes along with an all gear transmission that doesn't need trail side replacement- should we say money grubbing honda ruined the sport making it too easy to go ride?
I'm not disputing the end result, wilderness closures and increasingly draconian big government rules, but I would question the cause and effect here. I'm thinking it's global warming that is causing the bad result.
HA HA. Read the first part again......
Spontaneous combustion- that's some funny s**t! LMAO!
