Ive beat the snott out of ma p5 and the only thing it needs to handle the abuse is better suspension period! !!!! Ive done everything from jumping to running wide open on the powerline and tight mountian trails and ill honestly say tbe pioneer 500 is a set of real shocks away from takinging the trails machine ride market by storm period this is not a debate its a done proven fact done means done!!!!! With any quality suspension the p5 is THE BEST trail sxs period!!!!!