P1000 Oil Cooler

[Ca51flatty]

I know my P5 has an oil over water cooler but what do you guys think about a traditional Setrab oil cooler in place of the stock cooler. My thinking is using a sandwich type auto adapter and use a 10 row setrab cooler to get more oil in the system and not use the water to try and cool the beast off.

I used to do this on all my Teryx's but those only held a coupe quarts of oil stock unlike my P5. Maybe more work then it is worth but hey, why not.

opnions?

 

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[joeymt33]

Are you considering this mod for a pioneer 500 or a pioneer 1000?


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[Ca51flatty]

Are you considering this mod for a pioneer 500 or a pioneer 1000?


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Pioneer 1000

 

[joeymt33]

Please excuse me, I'm still trying to understand. Are you wanting to replace the original radiator on the pioneer 1000 or add a supplemental cooling system?

Also, I thought the radiator on the 1000 is water only inside it.


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[Ca51flatty]

Please excuse me, I'm still trying to understand. Are you wanting to replace the original radiator on the pioneer 1000 or add a supplemental cooling system?

Also, I thought the radiator on the 1000 is water only inside it.


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The radiator is fine and I won't touch it however the oil is cooled via a cooler mounted on the side of the engine. Water is diverted from the engine through the cooler which is suppose to help cool the oil. I am thinking about ditching this and replacing this stock cooler to just oil to air and not use the water cooling sytsem to help cool the oil.

 

[Boomboom907]

you know, if you are having problems with overheating i guess i would. oil coolers are pretty damn efficient when you need more cooling and water just isn't doing it.

where i live, its not even worth the hassle. my fan might come on for a few minutes, but thats kind of how everything is designed. fans are supposed to come on, and the rig is supposed to run hot. if it ran too cold it would run like poopie.

oil cooler wont actually cool your engine down any more than stock would. it would just help if your stock stuff wasnt performing correctly ( like if plugged with mud or something)

i wouldnt unuse the good stock stuff. im not sure how you can get at the oil to cool it off, but if you could then i would simply run an additional one and maybe mount it up on the roof or maybe delete your hood and frame a box with some fine wire over it for sticks and stuff.

i bet a upgraded cooling fan would do as much good though. might even help remove the heat from under your butt?

 

[joeymt33]

The radiator is fine and I won't touch it however the oil is cooled via a cooler mounted on the side of the engine. Water is diverted from the engine through the cooler which is suppose to help cool the oil. I am thinking about ditching this and replacing this stock cooler to just oil to air and not use the water cooling sytsem to help cool the oil.

Oh ok, I gotcha. I did not know that it had an external cooler that's water over oil. Thanks for that input.

My thoughts on an aftermarket cooler is having to clean it a lot. If it could be mounted high, that would be great. If it could be mounted in front of the OEM radiator, that would be nice. But, that's a long way to run oil lines so there's a risk.





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[joeymt33]

I've added air to oil coolers on lawn mowers. That's been a good thing for those air cooled engines. Kohler sells the adapter between the filter and block.

I am curious as to what's the reason.


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[Ca51flatty]

I've added air to oil coolers on lawn mowers. That's been a good thing for those air cooled engines. Kohler sells the adapter between the filter and block.

I am curious as to what's the reason.


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Reason? More oil, and cooler oil from Air to oil, and less heat going from oil to water.

 

[joeymt33]

But what if the vehicle is already operating at the desired temp? I understand taking more heat out of its running hot.

I just thought you may have a unique situation that would increase work load in an extreme hit environment.

I guess having an additional cooler wouldn't hurt anything though as the thermostat will keep the engine operating at the desired temp anyway. But you would have the extra cooling capacity of the need arises.

I'll stay tuned and see what you come up with, I may be interested. Please understand that I'm no arguing, only playing devils advocate and trying to fully understand. Also, you did ask for opinions.


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[CumminsPusher]

Not only would it give extra cooling but it would allow for an increase of additional fluid which would be a good thing. The only thing I can see as negative is the possibility that the stock oil pump may not be strong enough to run the additional load and I could see it starve the motor.

 

[joeymt33]

Y'all remember that the oil NEEDS to be 212 degrees F to vaporize the water condensate that can get into the oil.

Also, engine specs like bearing tolerances are are set at what the OEM says is optimal operating temp. Those specs change when the engine is hot vs cold. That's why they tell you to check valve clearance on a cold engine.

One last thing is the viscosity of multi grade oil changes at different temps so be aware of that.

Now all these things listed are very minimal so you would probably be fine but Honda is the world leader in building reliable off road machines. I don't want to stray to far from their design. Now if you were going to pull a plow or disc 6 hours a day then you could probably justify it.

If you decide to put an oil cooler on it, do one with a thermostat so the engine can warm up to optimal operating temp but the additional cooler will help keep it from going over that.





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[Ca51flatty]

All good info from several points of view. Exactly why I asked for opinions and thoughts!

 

[Kilo427]

would the oil cooler help the clutches though on the heat end?

 

[wyodlr]

might want to check the oil pressure at the cooler before trying another one

 

[JTW]

would the oil cooler help the clutches though on the heat end?

If you knew how to drive it you wouldn't be burning up clutches!

 

[Kilo427]

If you knew how to drive it you wouldn't be burning up clutches!

that is probably true indeed.

 

[joeymt33]

would the oil cooler help the clutches though on the heat end?

I'm still curious how an oil cooler will help. The clutches heat up from friction from the slipping. So now are they just going to slip but remain cooler? Sounds like they need to fix the clutch slipping issues that some machines have!

 

[CumminsPusher]

If you knew how to drive it you wouldn't be burning up clutches!

That's what they say lol

 

[Crow_Hunter]

I'm still curious how an oil cooler will help. The clutches heat up from friction from the slipping. So now are they just going to slip but remain cooler? Sounds like they need to fix the clutch slipping issues that some machines have!

The clutch disc material is attached with a binder of some sort. Hypothetically if the oil gets hot enough to degrade or break down the binder, the clutches could fail.

I don't have a clue what the binder is or what point it would degrade. But, keeping the oil cooler might be beneficial.

The clutch slips a little bit all the time when the RPMs of the wheels and the crank don't match (like speeding up or slowing down and starting/shifting). If the heat isn't getting out of the oil in a timely fashion, it might be building up to the point the clutch wear accelerates way beyond normal.

That might also explain why you guys that run Bull Run a lot don't have problems like some others do. Since you are in and out of water a bunch your overall average oil temps may be lower than those that are relying on just the radiator dump the waste heat out of the whole system.

That is why I am very interested to see what Honda's fix is. Heat or clamping force or electrical or a combination of all of them or none of them.