Not false equivalency, vehicle Altitude is above 8500' altitude
Pioneer is above 8500'.
Not comparing vehicles, Altitude, Coolant and sealed cooling system are what are being compared. All other things being equal as a properly designed sealed cooling system is assumed to be equal. We are assuming proper design as this is the first time this has been documented on here that it was not Air in the system or a disconnected fan. Then standard physics and chemistry which are always consistent are also equal.
If you are evaluating the design of the cooling system (size of the fan) you would make the assumption that it was the same and then try to test the null hypothesis. You can't do that without having the machine there. Just saying that a particular pair of vehicles didn't have a problem on a similar set of circumstances isn't equivalent. It is anecdotal observations. You have to actually test the system.
Therefore there was an outside variable or drifter was applying an outside variable. i.e:Air in system, dust clogged radiator fins, consistent poor assembly by dealer(train someone wrong and thats the only way they know how), or like we learned "something new" WOT, max RPM, extended use......once the outside variable was identified, boom everything all added up again.
Thanks to him we learned something new, even if it was an abrasive way of announcing it.
I agree it was not the best way to open up a discussion and that was definitely a factor.
I agree and YOU do it, you would NOT set up your own facts based example for the heat coming off of yours based on your use. Would just say it was burning hot, pissed moaned and bought a Can-Am and complained about it in one of the first posts you posted about it. I even gave you an easily repeatable example, of how I measured the heat coming off of mine. We could have collaborated but that was not your goal. People also won't accept facts if they don't want to, it can stare them in the face and they will not change their mind, either hurts pride or lightens wallet.
I don't setup my own "facts". I always tell it like I observe it. Including with my new Can Am. I don't remember complaining about it. I listed out the things that I liked more than the Pioneer and listed the things that I liked more about the Pioneer. Not doing so would have been setting up my own facts. I think you may have me mixed up with someone else about the heat. I observed that mine was hot but it wasn't something that I really complained about or the reason I got rid of my Pioneer. If that had been the only thing I didn't like about it, I would have kept it. I would be happy to do some heat testing on the Defender similar to what you posted on the Pioneer. I guess I didn't realize it was directed at me. I thought it was directed at Ridem32. I think it would be interesting if everyone wants me to. I can do it Sunday, it is pouring rain here for the next couple of days.
Another thing is everything on the internet STAYS on the internet and if someone says I did A then B and my clutches exploded in blue sparks(by the way Purple spars are WAY worse {Sarcasm they don't produce sparks}) then they worry they will not get it fixed under warranty so TRUTH is a huge issue with figuring out the actual solution to the clutch issue.
I agree.
See above, people need to be honest but that ain't happening when it might mean they might have to pay for something expensive.
See below.... In statistical analysis with a large enough sample size to be really worth anything the data is going to be slightly imperfect, due to human interaction. Statistical analysis will allow you to remove the outliers after investigation and then use the data remaining. However that data can still be correlated to swing one way or another based on what an individual wants it to say. Correlation can be created by assuming certain things are actually linked. People lie and want their opinion to be fact. I deal with crotchety old engineers on a regular basis that own engineering firms, they don't want to change because they haven't learned anything new in 15 years. They share their OPINION as fact, using outdated information. Their opinion can easily be shown to be opinion or outdated using current information and data. I love to do it, I just wish I got to drive away in their sports cars too.
I am crotchety but not that old. I try not to allow my opinion to cloud my facts. If that were true, I would still have the Honda because I think it looks better than the Defender and I have always owned Honda prior to this and on paper the P1000-5 is the best thing since sliced bread. It just didn't work out for my uses.
I like cold hard facts, they don't lie, even if they tell you a truth you don't want to hear.
I assume you are doing the charts in jest. Correlation does not equate to causation. You can find correlations on just about anything if you pick the right data set to use. 
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Which is probably what they are doing and why its taking so long. I also think some people treat it as an actual auto or as a CVT, and not as a machine with a CLUTCH. Thieves can't even steal older cars today because they can't drive stick, its now a security feature. There are a lot of guys who think they can drive a CVT and are probably the reason a lot of belts are burnt too. I knew what I initially intended to do with my 700 was going to burn belts. Didn't hurt the 700, I wouldn't try it with the 1000, because it was well beyond the rated tow capacity of the 700 and 1000.
I agree with you 100%. Just reading forums you can see that most people don't know how to drive a CVT either. And very few people understand the differences between the Polaris/Can Am type primary and the Yamaha style wet clutch. Not driving them correctly will burn up the belt (clutch on Polaris/Can Am) or burn up the wet clutch shoes on the Kawi/Yami clutches. The difference is that generally burning up a belt on a CVT is "expected" while burning up the clutch on a Honda is like the Spanish Inquisition . That is probably why lots of people are so disappointed.
Read the description of the video for why it was posted after I sold it, goes right back to why a clutch issue is going to take a long time and a lot of Hondas money to fix.
